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Just to add to the other posts, from the Guardian just now.
Austria announces new Covid measures amid rising cases
Austria said only those vaccinated or recovered from coronavirus would be allowed to frequent restaurants, hotels and cultural venues.
The new rule takes effect on Monday with a four-week transition phase to incentivise people to get jabbed, chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said.
“No one wants to split the society, but it is our responsibility to protect the people in our country,” he told a news conference.
The EU member of almost nine million people recorded more than 9,300 new daily cases Friday, a fresh record for this year, AFP reports.
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This is level 4 in Austria. Level 5 will mean the introduction of lockdown for the unvaccinated!
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Antibody tests are no longer acceptable, recovery within the last 6 months remains OK for 2G.
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We’re in the uk. Our 17 year old had Covid at the end of august. He will shortly be getting his first (and maybe only jab).
How does he prove he’s recovered from Covid such that it will be accepted in Austria?
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I’ve flown from Heathrow to Munich this morning as I’m off to Hintertux for a week.
I’d uploaded my vaccination certificate when Lufthansa invited me to a few days ago and it was successful but they still asked me for it at check in so it’s definitely worth having a few paper copies of your NHS one handy.
Had my FFP2 mask ready and used it at Heathrow too.
Flight was well spaced out, basically one person/couple travelling together per row but that may be partly the time of year.
Initially at check in they asked me for my passenger locator form but they hadn't realised I was staying in Austria not Germany so therefore I didn’t need one.
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| bambionskiis wrote: |
We’re in the uk. Our 17 year old had Covid at the end of august. He will shortly be getting his first (and maybe only jab).
How does he prove he’s recovered from Covid such that it will be accepted in Austria? |
The positive PCR result I believe is how you prove it which has to be at least 28 days old but less than 6 months old.
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@bambionskiis, he will need a certificate (I presume that is possible to get in the UK) showing he tested positive but has recovered, I think that the positive test must be 28 days previously before this becomes valid. I believe that the certificate is valid for 6 months from date of positive test (maybe someone can point to the exact regulation). Unless the Austrian's change their mind a single jab of any type will no longer be acceptable. Assuming you can get a certificate he should be OK until the end of February. Also note that even for fully vaccinated people the certificate is now only valid for 9 months not 12.
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Cheers munich_irish. The only proof we have is that he had a text saying he had a positive pcr test. I’m getting him to download the nhs app and see if it features on there. Otherwise if antibody tests aren’t accepted I have no idea what we do.
Cheers volkl too. Looking at my Nhs app there’s a “Tests” section. It isn’t easy to spot within the text. I’m surprised cafe owners are happy to read through this (in English) and accept it.
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@munich_irish, 1 Dose innoculations like J&J are 270 Days, 2 Dose innoculations are 360.
"The vaccine certificate is valid for 360 days after the 2nd dose for 2-dose vaccines. In people with a past infection + one vaccination, it is valid for 360 days after that one dose. If you have had a third/additional/booster vaccination, it is valid for 360 days from the third jab. For vaccines that require only one dose, it is valid from the 22nd day for 270 days from vaccination."
and for previous infections:
"Proof of Past Infection - You can enter Austria for 180 days after a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Proof of neutralising antibodies is valid for 90 days from the test date."
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@bambionskiis, I have seen some discussion of this on other threads but haven't taken much notice as not relevant to me. I believe there is a certificate you can get (I doubt just an old positive PCR test will work) but cant help with how you get it. Everything points to much stricter application of the regulations, up to now many places have hardly bothered or if they do it has been more waving an app or piece of paper. I suspect there will be much tighter checking now so best get the right certificate, you dont want to end up having a miserable holiday!
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
@munich_irish, 1 Dose innoculations like J&J are 270 Days, 2 Dose innoculations are 360.
"The vaccine certificate is valid for 360 days after the 2nd dose for 2-dose vaccines. In people with a past infection + one vaccination, it is valid for 360 days after that one dose. If you have had a third/additional/booster vaccination, it is valid for 360 days from the third jab. For vaccines that require only one dose, it is valid from the 22nd day for 270 days from vaccination."
and for previous infections:
"Proof of Past Infection - You can enter Austria for 180 days after a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Proof of neutralising antibodies is valid for 90 days from the test date." |
That's changing in the new regulation.
| ORF wrote: |
| The “Green Pass” should only be valid for nine months from the second vaccination, which should increase motivation for the third dose. The vaccination from Johnson & Johnson, originally designed as a single immunisation, is only valid until January 3rd for the “Green Passport”, provided that the vaccine has not been replenished. |
Entry regs should follow the same rule, but won't come in till next week.
Source: https://orf.at/stories/3235507/
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| RedandWhiteFlachau wrote: |
@munich_irish,
"Proof of Past Infection - You can enter Austria for 180 days after a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Proof of neutralising antibodies is valid for 90 days from the test date." |
Antibody tests are no longer valid.
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We’ve still to book for February but now I’m wondering if it’s not a good idea as we will have a 14 year old that will only have had one vaccination. Have they said anything about how teenagers will be affected?
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You know it makes sense.
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A lot can change in a few weeks. I guess Austria are a week or 2 from peak.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Gilly28, There is still a fair amount of confusion about the details of the new rules, they were only announced at at a press conference last night, no doubt more details will emerge on Monday & Tuesday. However there is now a sense of very serious concern in the Austrian government. The situation is more concerning than in the UK(!) and, more importantly, Germany (though things are not good here either). The Austrian government will do everything possible to ensure that vaccinated German (+Dutch, Scandinavians etc) tourists can spend their winter holidays in Austria. I am afraid that UK families with teenagers fall very low down the list of priorities. It is simply not possible to say what the situation will be come February (it might be much better) but if booking soon is important to you then you might want to look at alternatives.
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@munich_irish, Thanks for this, we may hang off for a bit.
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Press reporting large queues for vaccination throughout Austria today.
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@Chris_n, ?? The information I posted was a cut and paste off the AU Govt Site updated as at 3 Nov 21. Antibody tests are serology tests that identify Antibodies from a blood sample and they are still valid. Did you mean Antigen Tests, which are no longer accepted for unvaccinated arrivals?
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I’m booked for Dec. 26th to January 8th, having had a one shot J&J vaccine, received this vaccine May 23rd, Irish government have not yet announced Booster for 50/59 Cohort.
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@2waterford, the reports I have seen suggest that Austria will only accept the J&J vaccine up until 03.01.2022. If that is true then you are likely to have issues after that date (probably be pretty much stuck in your hotel room  ).
@RedandWhiteFlachau, we are only going on media reports from the press conference last night, I guess the government site will not be updated until Monday. For example see here https://liveblog.tt.com/414/coronavirus/111350/grafik-das-sind-die-neuen-manahmen-in-osterreich . I would translate "Antiköpertests nicht mehr für 3G oder 2G gültig" as "antibody tests will no longer be accepted" but my German is hardly brilliant and the translation might be wrong.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| I would translate "Antiköpertests nicht mehr für 3G oder 2G gültig" as "antibody tests will no longer be accepted" but my German is hardly brilliant and the translation might be wrong. |
I think you've got that right. The use of antibody tests has always been a little bit controversial, and they've now been thrown out on the basis that there is no scientific agreement on the required antibody levels or what that means for future infections. That seems reasonable to me.
It's good that people have suddenly decided to go for their vaccinations, as the turnout recently has been dire, but the govt has been threatening this restriction for weeks FFS. The timing may be abrupt, but it was coming eventually and half a dozen rule changes in a week is not exactly unusual around here. Hopefully they haven't left it too late.
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@RedandWhiteFlachau, I meant Antibody for the reasons stated by @munich_irish and @Scarlet.
@2waterford, J&J is only allowed until 3rd Jan as @munich_irish said. The problem then becomes you won't even be allowed in your hotel after that! Are the Irish Government giving some sort of certification with boosters?
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| Chris_n wrote: |
@RedandWhiteFlachau, I meant Antibody for the reasons stated by @munich_irish and @Scarlet.
@2waterford, J&J is only allowed until 3rd Jan as @munich_irish said. The problem then becomes you won't even be allowed in your hotel after that! Are the Irish Government giving some sort of certification with boosters? |
Not too sure, at the moment as we have really only done the over 80s.
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@Scarlet, have been reading reports about the vaccine centers in Salzburg and Vorarlberg getting overwhelmed now that the gov has introduced 2G for just about all activities. Good! Hope they introduce the same here ASAP. Getting totally fed up with hearing about ICUs filling up with idiots who don't believe in vaccination.
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| Chris_n wrote: |
@RedandWhiteFlachau, I meant Antibody for the reasons stated by @munich_irish and @Scarlet.
@2waterford, J&J is only allowed until 3rd Jan as @munich_irish said. The problem then becomes you won't even be allowed in your hotel after that! Are the Irish Government giving some sort of certification with boosters? |
Chris_n do you know even to get a booster do need so many days after the booster for it to be recognised.
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@Steilhang, loads of traffic around the Impfzentrum in Wörgl too today.
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@Steilhang, Yeah, me too. I'm just a bit surprised that people are surprised  Must've been living under a rock. Or perhaps a bale of hay.
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@2waterford, I don't think so but the reports are a bit vague. The regulation should be released on Monday so may have more idea then. Whether it is after a delay or not you will need some sort of certification preferably a QR code for ease but English language is acceptable.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Chris_n wrote: |
| @Steilhang, loads of traffic around the Impfzentrum in Wörgl too today. |
Good. The prospect of not getting your beers has the desired effect in Tirol as well then.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Out of interest why has the uptake of vaccination been low in Austria until now? And has it been low in all age groups or just the younger ones under 40?
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Poster: A snowHead
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In Tux now. Had a look around the shops and went to the supermarket. The majority of people are wearing FFP2 masks but not all, I saw 2 girls early 20s maybe late teens in the Spar with no mask on at all.
When I checked in the guy asked me if I’d had the double vaccination but didn’t want to see my proof when I offered it so my word was good enough for him.
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
| Out of interest why has the uptake of vaccination been low in Austria until now? And has it been low in all age groups or just the younger ones under 40? |
It is quite high in older groups and in some specific groups like students, who had restrictions placed on attendance if not vaxxed. A prominent opposition party leader (FPÖ) is anti-vax, and so apparently vaccinations are low in areas where they have more support. Also, vaccination was devolved to state administration, so each region has had its own campaign and some did better than others. Tirol is bang in the middle, stats wise.
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@Scarlet, I see, thanks
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Anyone found a good way of attaching their FFP2 mask underneath their skiing helmet as it’s uncomfortable on my ears these seem so much tighter than the blue surgical ones we wear for work?
Edit, oh it’s better now I’ve given the elastic a good stretch 
You have to wear FFP2 in the gondolas in Hintertux but not on the chairlifts I think
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Chairlifts with bubbles count for wearing masks - officially anyway. That’s all chairs at Hintertux and almost every chair in Austria …
Maybe on a fine day they’ll know people won’t close bubbles so not enforce it.
Yes I saw somewhere about stretching the elastic…
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Here we go then. I read the important bits as no vaccine = no entry to establishments (not Austria per se) and that no booster means your vaccinated status now expires at the 9 month (270 Day) point, after which you are considered unvaccinated for purposes of entry, which presumably applies equally at immigration?
NEW "2-G-rule": The following measures are in effect from 8 November:
Like in many other European countries, COVID cases in Austria are currently rising. To keep locals and visitors safe, additional protection measures are about to be introduced:
For hotels, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, leisure centres, gyms, cultural institutions (cinemas, theatres etc.), ski lifts and body-related services (such as hairdressers) proof of vaccination/recovery is mandatory (children under the age of 12 are exempt).
For events with 25 people or more proof of vaccination/recovery is mandatory (children under the age of 12 are exempt).
COVID tests (both PCR and antigen) are no longer valid as "entry tests".
FFP2 masks are required on public transport, in cable cars and in all retail businesses and museums.
2-dose-vaccinations are now valid for 9 months only after the second dose (previously: 12 months)
Up until 5 December, proof of the first dose plus a negative PCR test are valid for hospitality businesses, body-related services and events.
Children under 12 years are currently exempt from entry rules, for minors between 12 and 18 years, a solution is being worked on.
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Jeez this is complicated, or perhaps I’m just getting tired of all the constant changes. I read plenty of the above and it’s clearly not particularly straight forward. Was just about to pull the trigger on a week 25.12-01.01.22 and now am thinking about holding off. Can anyone answer these queries for us……we are 2 adults both double jabbed and having our booster in 10 days time.
1. Are we OK to enter Austria via car from Germany with proof of vaccination, or do we need PCR?
2. OK to enter EU via Holland in car (Hull/ Rotterdam P&O) or better via France/ Belgium (those roads!)/ Germany - do we need PCR or OK with proof of double vaccination? I read we are on France’s amber list and that means PCR?
3. Any obvious dark clouds looming on the horizon that may affect decisions made (I know it’s worsening in mainland Europe just as UK seem to be on a downward cases trend) but things appear to be worsening in Tirol/ Vorarlberg?
4. Thinking might hold off until the last minute……best option, nothing to worry about, or wasting our time?
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@buchanan101, yes true actually you’re right about the chairlifts with bubbles on them. I’d forgotten about those especially as today is a sunny nice day with little wind.
I’ve nailed the mask business it was driving me crazy within an hour even with stretching the ear loops so I’ve seen what others do with attaching a separate piece from another one between the ear loops so you can wear that bit on the back of your head or on the back of your neck. It’s far better as it was giving me a headache pulling the ears forward and still covers the face properly.
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| Markymark29 wrote: |
Jeez this is complicated, or perhaps I’m just getting tired of all the constant changes. I read plenty of the above and it’s clearly not particularly straight forward. Was just about to pull the trigger on a week 25.12-01.01.22 and now am thinking about holding off. Can anyone answer these queries for us……we are 2 adults both double jabbed and having our booster in 10 days time.
1. Are we OK to enter Austria via car from Germany with proof of vaccination, or do we need PCR?
2. OK to enter EU via Holland in car (Hull/ Rotterdam P&O) or better via France/ Belgium (those roads!)/ Germany - do we need PCR or OK with proof of double vaccination? I read we are on France’s amber list and that means PCR?
3. Any obvious dark clouds looming on the horizon that may affect decisions made (I know it’s worsening in mainland Europe just as UK seem to be on a downward cases trend) but things appear to be worsening in Tirol/ Vorarlberg?
4. Thinking might hold off until the last minute……best option, nothing to worry about, or wasting our time? |
1. Yes you are OK to enter Austria.
2. For France you are OK to enter but you must fill in the "Honour Note" and upload it for travel by Eurotunnel like you do your API.
3. It's all about getting folks vaccinated. If you are vaccinated then minimal impact on activities. If you're not, don't bother coming unless you want to spend your entire holiday stuck in quarantine or your chalet/apartment.
4. Just do it but make sure you have appropriate travel insurance.
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@Markymark29,
1.Yes you are ok to enter Austria
2.No idea, P&O website should tell you if not call them.
3. Tirol at least isn't anywhere near as bad as further East, don't know situation in Voralberg.
4. Austrian government are adamant they are not locking down vaccinated and want the winter season to go ahead.
@RedandWhiteFlachau, beat me to it 
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