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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Would I be right in suggesting that with many of these stations lift systems owned by the Marie ,the abolishment of Tax D habitation has accelerated the situation now that the paymasters are central government ?
Without having quite a tot al understanding the tax situation
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French ski industry is in freefall.
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| davidof wrote: |
| stevew wrote: |
The developers of the apartments must be pretty p***ed |
they must be livid, can't imagine what those places are worth now |
They must be stupid. This place was already in agony when I cycled over that hill some 20 years ago. Too little, too low. Not enough cash flow to do the necessary. Building poses an enormous fire risk now.
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@Tristero, 1400 meters on a NE facing bowl, if that was too low 20 years ago you can forget about skiing in France in the future.
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| davidof wrote: |
| @Tristero, 1400 meters on a NE facing bowl, if that was too low 20 years ago you can forget about skiing in France in the future. |
Been in Grenoble winters 03/04 and half of 02/03. There has been snow at that altitude. I remember some fantastic/crazy ski touring up Charmant Som around christmas '03. But there have always been rain spells below 2000m from time to time. And that's it's major fault: It's not too low at the bottom, but much too low at the top. As a consequence they never managed to put enough money aside to afford good snowmaking and at least two fast chairs (one from the bottom up to the Crête and another one to the top of Le Pérollier). So it's been always a gamble and very few people would ever consider going there for their holidays. On top of that, views may be nice but the skiing itself is quite limited for better skiers.
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La Chapelle-d'Abondance - slopes 1,000m to 1,700m, with just a tiny handful of lifts and pistes. Unviable in an expensive age I suppose.
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It's been a problem for some time, we took a trip to Morgins (small swiss resort just across the border from Chatel) 20 years ago and it was struggling even then (altitude 1300m and temps too high).
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| Snow&skifan wrote: |
| La Chapelle-d'Abondance - slopes 1,000m to 1,700m, with just a tiny handful of lifts and pistes. Unviable in an expensive age I suppose. |
Issue with La Chapelle is it’s only 5 kms from Châtel and is overlooked. There are two sectors which are not connected to each other on either side of the valley . The sector connected to PDS is away from village and on sunny side of valley, lacking adequate modern snow making, and travels through Switzerland, via aging lifts that are difficult to upgrade due to CH regulations. They have invested in developing cross country skiing in the very cold shaded valley floor. The village is a great base and local commerce seems to do well.
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| GreenDay wrote: |
| It's been a problem for some time, we took a trip to Morgins (small swiss resort just across the border from Chatel) 20 years ago and it was struggling even then (altitude 1300m and temps too high). |
Actually, Morgins' problem is a bit different. At least it was, now climate change comes on top. They got their development completely wrong and probably corrupted. Namely the Chalets. Chalets are like cancer, really. Eating away all the terrain whilst generating very little income for the local economy especially for the lift company.
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@Tristero, Not sure I understand.
Would people in ski chalets not buy lift tickets?
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You know it makes sense.
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| Tristero wrote: |
| GreenDay wrote: |
| It's been a problem for some time, we took a trip to Morgins (small swiss resort just across the border from Chatel) 20 years ago and it was struggling even then (altitude 1300m and temps too high). |
Actually, Morgins' problem is a bit different. At least it was, now climate change comes on top. They got their development completely wrong and probably corrupted. Namely the Chalets. Chalets are like cancer, really. Eating away all the terrain whilst generating very little income for the local economy especially for the lift company. |
I thought the issue with Morgins were economics where the village went bust due to old slow lifts on both sides of valley and limited snow making on the sth facing side of the valley (run down from Châtel). It was overlooked as an entry point to PDS and many Swiss drove onto Châtel. They have since merged the individual Swiss villages into one company in order to recurve funding from a Valais tourism development fund which had allowed them to build a fast gondola to get people up the mountain. Village looked busier and carparks have multiplied more once the lift opened last season - many are drivers coming from France and using Morgins as an alternative starting point and ski school instead of Châtel PLJ which is around same distance.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@GreenDay, @rambotion, The point is, as @Ozboy, has layed out, based on economics. Chalet owners do indeed buy lift passes for themselves - but they buy presale seasonal passes. One for each family member. Those tend to cost less than two 6d-tickets the riff-raff like me has to get for his tiny little skiing. That's only one aspect. Another one is that people who do own chalets don't tend to rent them out for a whole bunch of reasons. And then building plots in the mountains are limited. Especially those which allow for ski in ski out. By building chalets rather than appartment buildings, a resort ends up with very few, mostly cold beds.
That's why the lift system on the Swiss side of the PdS is so much worse than on the French. And Morgins' lift company went belly up a few years ago. At first Châtel helped out to make sure the Tour des PdS stays open, than the state had to step in with public money (what a joke!) after the other Swiss PdS lift companies refused to take over Morgins without helpfrom outside.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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which is probably why an above average warm winter is forecast 
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