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Climate change in the Alpine Areas of Europe discussion thread

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Lack of snow or no budget , the same end point.

www.lemessager.fr/649324614/article/2024-10-11/la-chapelle-d-abondance-va-t-elle-devoir-abandonner-le-ski-alpin

Will La Chapelle-d'Abondance have to give up downhill skiing?
The Auvergne-Rhône Alpes Regional Audit Office has sounded the alarm for the municipality of La Chapelle-d'Abondance. While a short-term solution has been found for the 2024 budget, further efforts will be required in the years to come.
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Would I be right in suggesting that with many of these stations lift systems owned by the Marie ,the abolishment of Tax D habitation has accelerated the situation now that the paymasters are central government ?
Without having quite a tot al understanding the tax situation
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French ski industry is in freefall.
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davidof wrote:
stevew wrote:


The developers of the apartments must be pretty p***ed


they must be livid, can't imagine what those places are worth now


They must be stupid. This place was already in agony when I cycled over that hill some 20 years ago. Too little, too low. Not enough cash flow to do the necessary. Building poses an enormous fire risk now.
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@Tristero, 1400 meters on a NE facing bowl, if that was too low 20 years ago you can forget about skiing in France in the future.
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davidof wrote:
@Tristero, 1400 meters on a NE facing bowl, if that was too low 20 years ago you can forget about skiing in France in the future.


Been in Grenoble winters 03/04 and half of 02/03. There has been snow at that altitude. I remember some fantastic/crazy ski touring up Charmant Som around christmas '03. But there have always been rain spells below 2000m from time to time. And that's it's major fault: It's not too low at the bottom, but much too low at the top. As a consequence they never managed to put enough money aside to afford good snowmaking and at least two fast chairs (one from the bottom up to the Crête and another one to the top of Le Pérollier). So it's been always a gamble and very few people would ever consider going there for their holidays. On top of that, views may be nice but the skiing itself is quite limited for better skiers.
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La Chapelle-d'Abondance - slopes 1,000m to 1,700m, with just a tiny handful of lifts and pistes. Unviable in an expensive age I suppose.
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It's been a problem for some time, we took a trip to Morgins (small swiss resort just across the border from Chatel) 20 years ago and it was struggling even then (altitude 1300m and temps too high).
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Snow&skifan wrote:
La Chapelle-d'Abondance - slopes 1,000m to 1,700m, with just a tiny handful of lifts and pistes. Unviable in an expensive age I suppose.


Issue with La Chapelle is it’s only 5 kms from Châtel and is overlooked. There are two sectors which are not connected to each other on either side of the valley . The sector connected to PDS is away from village and on sunny side of valley, lacking adequate modern snow making, and travels through Switzerland, via aging lifts that are difficult to upgrade due to CH regulations. They have invested in developing cross country skiing in the very cold shaded valley floor. The village is a great base and local commerce seems to do well.
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This is tangential to the subject of this thread, but is rather concerning.......

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/15/finland-emissions-target-forests-peatlands-sinks-absorbing-carbon-aoe
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