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Depends when the booking is for
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| Cheapski wrote: |
| Why would anyone in Morzine or Les Gets advertise (and price accordingly) ski in/ski out when they clearly know that chance of that happening are really low ? |
Why would anyone buy ski in ski out accommodation in LG or Morzine when they know the chances of that happening are really low? Hope that it all works out in your favour.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well, why would they?
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Just watching the film ‘Quatermass and the Pit’ made in 1967 and Dr. Quatermass askes:
‘If we found that our earth was doomed, say by climatic changes, what would we do about it ?’
The Archaeologist excavating the recent sinister finds at an Underground station, replies: ‘Nothing, just go on squabbling as usual’. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Did you see that news piece that has re-surfaced of east coasters moving to Ashville as a place of safety as they were worried about sea level rises and hurricanes. Very sobering.....
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Metabief has shut a third of its ski area this winter.
last chance saloon for l'alpe du Grande Serre, it has a contract to run the resort with the SATA for two years but this is dependent on raising other funding to open this winter. Locals are not optimistic and think the ski area really needs to think about getting out of alpine skiing.
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| davidof wrote: |
Metabief has shut a third of its ski area this winter.
last chance saloon for l'alpe du Grande Serre, it has a contract to run the resort with the SATA for two years but this is dependent on raising other funding to open this winter. Locals are not optimistic and think the ski area really needs to think about getting out of alpine skiing. |
Metabief is pretty low isn't it? I'm surprised it has not gone under already.
If L'Alpe du Grand Serre get out of alpine skiing, what will it do? The nordic is pretty low. Just become a touring resort? Surely that's not sustainable....
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| galpinos wrote: |
If L'Alpe du Grand Serre get out of alpine skiing, what will it do? |
Nothing, like the other areas such as Ceuse that have shut down. The problem is they haven't really thought about their reconversion and after two bad seasons with a ski area that has always been marginal things are serious.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| davidof wrote: |
| Metabief has shut a third of its ski area this winter. |
Which part? I was thinking about visiting for a day this coming winter if conditions were good.
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You know it makes sense.
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| denfinella wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| Metabief has shut a third of its ski area this winter. |
Which part? I was thinking about visiting for a day this coming winter if conditions were good. |
the area with the black run, Piquemiette... the interesting bit.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| davidof wrote: |
Metabief has shut a third of its ski area this winter.
last chance saloon for l'alpe du Grande Serre, it has a contract to run the resort with the SATA for two years but this is dependent on raising other funding to open this winter. Locals are not optimistic and think the ski area really needs to think about getting out of alpine skiing. |
I drive past Metaboef a few times every winter and it’s sad to visibly see the resort disappear over time. It now relies of big snow falls, hopefully before chiestmas and feb holiday weeks, which keep it going for a few weeks before the inevitable rain comes - too warm / wet for long term artificial snow. Metabief is famous for its Mt D’Or cheese and the area produces Comte and wonder what impact climate change will have on cheese makers and production.
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Poster: A snowHead
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The French Alps and satellites are starting to feel like Detroit in the 1970s.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| The French Alps and satellites are starting to feel like Detroit in the 1970s. |
You mean like "What's Going On"? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| The French Alps and satellites are starting to feel like Detroit in the 1970s. |
Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on the good times
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another one bites the dust
https://www.seynelesalpes-tourisme.com/ski-neige/ski-alpin/
Grand Puy is done, ski lift infrastructure up for sale if anyone needs a lift
what is shocking is that we are starting to see ski areas where the bottom of the runs is at 1400 meters get out of skiing. Okay they don't have the financial resources of a la Plagne but where next?
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and another confirmed closure...
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A major ski station in the French Alps has announced it is shutting down, threatening both the jobs of up to 200 employees and the local economy of the area.
The Alpe du Grand Serre resort, near La Morte (Isère), announced its closure on Friday (October 4), after local council members voted not to open the station for the upcoming season.
The closure of the resort this winter effectively ends the chance of the station opening in the future, due to a lack of revenue and resort maintenance. |
More here
https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/ski-resort-in-the-french-alps-to-close/682491?
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A non exhaustive list of French ski areas that risk closing in the next decade. They either have a significant financial risk (like l'Alpe du Grand Serre) or Climate Risk. For climate risk I've put a *, for both risks I've put **. All of the ski areas with financial risk also have a medium climate risk so would be unlikely to survive any crisis.
Abriès-ristolas
Aiguilles
Aillon le jeune-margeriaz
Arvieux
Artouste *
Ascou pailhères *
Auron saint etienne de tinée
Autrans / Meaudre *
Bonneval sur arc
Bourg d'oueil *
Boutx - le mourtis *
Brasses (les) *
Cambre d'aze *
Camurac *
Ceillac
Chaillol (pinateau)
Col de marcieu (st bernard du touvet) *
Col de porte *
Col d'ornon *
Col du granier - desert d'entremont *
Col du rousset *
Colmiane valdeblore
Crest-voland
Cret (saint jean-de-sixt) *
Font d'urle - chaud clapier *
Font-romeu - bolquère - pyrénées 2000 **
Formiguères *
Goulier-neige *
Gourette *
Granier sur aime - le granier (already closed AFAIKS) *
Gresse en vercors *
Guzet
Habere poche, hirmentaz *
Hautacam *
Isola 2000
La pierre st martin *
Laye
Luchon superbagnères *
Lullin col de feu **
Lus la jarjatte *
Mijanès donezan *
Molines saint-véran (beauregard)
Montmin *
Nevache
Notre dame du pre
Peyragudes
Plateau de beille *
Porté puymorens
Portes du mont blanc (les) - sallanches-cordon *
Rafforts (les) - ugine *
Reallon
Reposoir (le)
Romme nancy sur cluses **
Rosiere (la)
Roubion les buisses **
Saint hilaire du touvet *
Saint nizier du moucherotte **
Saint pierre de chartreuse - le planolet *
Sappey en chartreuse (le) *
Savoie grand revard **
St léger les mélèzes
Thollon les memises
Val d'allos
Val d'arly
Val d'azun *
Val louron *
Valberg-beuil *
Vallorcine la poya **
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@davidof, impressive how many smaller/lower French resorts there are. I know nothing of three quarters of the ones you list.
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Blimey , Some big names on here with good snow records , Bonneval , not easy to reach ? and La Rosiere overstretched themselves presumably they have shown up in a financial report ?
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| Rob Mackley wrote: |
| Blimey , Some big names on here with good snow records , Bonneval , not easy to reach ? and La Rosiere overstretched themselves presumably they have shown up in a financial report ? |
out of all of them on the list I'd have thought la Rosiere would still be around in 10 years but maybe under a different structure. The double starred are almost sure to go, the single starred are at high risk if we get more runs of bad seasons. Both l'Alpe du Grande Serre and le Grand Puy that have just announced their closures had the base of ski runs at 1400 meters on North East facing slopes but had very bad seasons the last couple of years so is anywhere safe below that altitude if it doesn't have a significant part of its ski area above 2000 meters?
The names above are from a recent French govt. report.
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I've genuinely only heard of a few of them and, of those that I have heard of, it's more often than not from the TDF route, rather than them being a ski resort.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Of the ** areas, Font-Romeu is by far the biggest. I've visited in summer but not winter; its altitude is OK and the lift system is decent, so what's going on there? If I recall correctly, the slopes get a lot of sun.
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| porkpiefox wrote: |
| I've genuinely only heard of a few of them and, of those that I have heard of, it's more often than not from the TDF route, rather than them being a ski resort. |
Likewise. More marginal resorts for the Daily Mail to call out as significant, as did the Guardian in it's article about it, not surer "major" is the right adjective for Alpe du Grand Serre?
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You know it makes sense.
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@davidof, I'm surprised to see La Rosiere on that list, we drove through in the summer on the way to Petit St Bernard and it was busy with new accommodation construction and up to date lifts.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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For many years I would buy a season pass for Lans en Vercors. Before the days of rechargeable cards it offered a lot of convenience and also had the advantage of full skiing rights in Autrans and Meaudre. My daughter learnt a lot of her skiing in those resorts, including trips with school. The last few years it's been getting more and more marginal and I finally gave up buying the season pass when they stopped the rights to ski in the other areas.
I'll still ski in those resorts when the snow is good, as they all hold a lot of good memories, and they're easy to get to from my neck of the woods; but I'm worried they won't be viable for too much longer 
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Poster: A snowHead
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The developers of the apartments must be pretty p***ed
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| stevew wrote: |
The developers of the apartments must be pretty p***ed |
they must be livid, can't imagine what those places are worth now
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The Vosges resorts are surely in trouble at this rate
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As always, never buy European Alpine property below 2000m.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| As always, never buy European Alpine property below 2000m. |
Are there many properties above 2000m?
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Any more info on why Bonneval Sur Arc is at risk and how likely it is to go bust? Its on my list of places to go, loved Val Cenis but didn't have transport with me and didn't visit BSA. Was thinking of another trip with a car and combining these two.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| As always, never buy European Alpine property below 2000m. |
Best steer clear of those alpine ski areas with dodgy snow conditions, like Val d'Isere, Zermatt and Saas Fee.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Fri 11-10-24 12:50; edited 1 time in total
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And in the case of La Rosiere, which isn't imminently threatened by climate change, if it failed to service it's debts, isn't the most likely outcome that the debtors takes ownership of the ski area and a new organisation runs it? This assumes that excluding servicing of it's debts it is fundamentally profitable which I would have thought it was
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