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Incidentally next weekend could be a bit bumpy in the UK again. Worth watching.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@nozawaonsen, are there GFS coordinates for/near Andorra - Ordino Arcalis?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@BobinCH, looking quite warm for the next week. Sunny at times. Pack shades and pick up cold beer on arrival.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
@BobinCH, looking quite warm for the next week. Sunny at times. Pack shades and pick up cold beer on arrival.
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Thanks. Not for me. Next round of FWT is there on 28th
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| altaski8 wrote: |
| Can we ban the words gloom, doom, and all variations?! This is a weather thread. Sometimes the forecast looks positive and other times, negative. And we should be able to openly and factually discuss it. We shouldn't have to sugarcoat it to protect a few overly sensitive posters. |
Just want a dose of realism that conditions aren't as bad as some posters make out. And as for overly sensitive, I feel your post is more that than anything I've posted!
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Anyway, back on topic... lots of snow was due overnight in many places and is forecast to continue through the day today. Currently snowing across Paradiski.
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Light dusting of snow overnight at valley level in Gressoney, but ferocious winds. Heading to Pila for the day.
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Snow out to the end of Friday.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
@altaski8, the long term average for 850hPa (the charts I was referring to) at this time of year is -3/-4.
More like -1/-2 further west.
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The 850hPa pressure surface is below ground at both of those locations, so I assume it is a plot of surface temperature. And those averages seem very warm for this time of year in the mountains (e.g., 1800m). Do you know how the averages were calculated? It looks like Chamonix has an ave. daily temp of around -1.0/-1.5°C for this time of year at 1042m.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
Snow out to the end of Friday.
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In my experience, the WRF-NMM (and its relatives) significantly overestimates QPF in mountainous terrain. In the US, a map like that is called a clown map.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Can someone do one of these fancy charts for Mayrhofen.....
Been keeping an eye on the weather on Bergfex/j2ski etc, it's changing so much in the long term - anything more than 3-4 days away changes every day.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@hinesy32, here you go for Mayrhofen
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=2914&model=gfs&var=201&run=6&lid=ENS&bw=1
This site only does GFS (one of the models which is generally free to use) not ECM which many of the larger forecast sites use (it costs money to use their data, so often the various "national" weather services).
Personally I prefer maps to the graphs (they give a better overview but they do lack the detail of the graphs, I can see why many prefer the graphs), a large selection can be found here https://www.wxcharts.com/
Do note that GFS is updated 4 times a day and there can be significant changes between successive "runs"
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In the end not a lot of snow in the French Northern Alps. Perhaps 12cm in the Vercors (which has been very dry), Savoie zero in the West, 7 to 10cm in the East. 10cm in the Haute-Savoie. A bit colder with the FL down around 1200 meters. On open ski runs it will freshen things up but won't make a difference elsewhere.
Storm still ongoing on and off though.
Last edited by So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much  on Tue 11-02-20 15:35; edited 1 time in total
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You know it makes sense.
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| Handy Turnip wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| Can we ban the words gloom, doom, and all variations?! This is a weather thread. Sometimes the forecast looks positive and other times, negative. And we should be able to openly and factually discuss it. We shouldn't have to sugarcoat it to protect a few overly sensitive posters. |
Just want a dose of realism that conditions aren't as bad as some posters make out. And as for overly sensitive, I feel your post is more that than anything I've posted! |
It sounds to me like you don't want realism at all. And many posters on here seem to conflate any negative comment concerning the weather with being "miserable," "gloomy," or unable to appreciate the privilege of skiing.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Nothing in Chamonix town today, looks like a sprinkling at around 1500m maybe? I was looking forward to a rare powder day tomorrow 
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Tue 11-02-20 15:53; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@altaski8, I could level exactly the same accusation at you. But it doesn't get us anywhere. Maybe I'm just a glass half full kind of person and others glass half empty...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Handy Turnip wrote: |
| @altaski8, I could level exactly the same accusation at you. But it doesn't get us anywhere. Maybe I'm just a glass half full kind of person and others glass half empty... |
And that's perfectly healthy for debate. What's not helpful is when posters call other posters miserable for having a different perspective.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@altaski8, not sure I'd ever go as far as accusing someone of being miserable! That definitely would be a bit harsh. 
I think we're at least in agreement that we both want the facts to be reported, even if we acknowledge that they can be presented back in different ways and with different emphasis.
Probably best to draw a line under this all now.
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Very hot in Eastern Europe.
Topped +15c at 1000m in Bansko, Bulgaria, today.
Many resorts will struggle to make it thru March, if the snows do not come this year.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Whitegold, what about Belgium ? Surely plucky Belgium will pull through?
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[quote="nozawaonsen"]
| nozawaonsen wrote: |
Incidentally next weekend could be a bit bumpy in the UK again. Worth watching.
And here come Storm Dennis!
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It looks like "Dennis" will usher in some really warm temperatures this weekend into early next week.
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Yep it still looks like briefly below average from tonight, before briefly well above average over the weekend, before briefly below average again next week then turning milder.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Tue 11-02-20 17:44; edited 1 time in total
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| Yep it still looks like briefly below average from tonight, before briefly well average over the weekend, before briefly below average again next week then turning milder. |
That's a bangin forecast.
I don't know why the Met Office doesn't snatch you up.
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@altaski8, why are you being so combative? You seem to be awfully angry about something?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Blimey, who knew that talking about the weather would generate such a lot of handbag swinging?! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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N0t sure its handbags that are swinging.......
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SLF outlook for Switzerland.
” Observed weather on Tuesday, 11.02.2020
There was frequent precipitation in the west and north. The snowfall level fell from 1700 m to between 800 and 1200 m. It was quite sunny in the south, and sunny at times in the east.
Fresh snow
From Sunday evening until Tuesday afternoon above approximately 2000 m:
Extreme west of Lower Valais, northern Lower Valais, eastern part of the northern flank of the Alps: 20 to 40 cm
Rest of Lower Valais, northern Upper Valais, western Bernese Alps, central part of the northern flank of the Alps, Bedretto and Upper Valle Maggia, northern Prättigau, Silvretta, Samnaun: 10 to 20 cm
Elsewhere: 5 to 10 cm over a wide area, remaining mostly dry in the far south and the rest of Engadine
In the Jura at 1400 m: 5 to 10 cm
Temperature
At midday at 2000 m: between -4 °C in the north and 0 °C in the south
Wind
In the north: storm force during the night, moderate to strong during the day, from the west
In the south: increasingly strong from the north
Weather forecast through Wednesday, 12.02.2020
During the night the precipitation will cease from the west. During the day a little more snow will fall in the east in particular; it will be increasingly sunny in the west and quite sunny in the south.
Fresh snow
Above 1000 m on the northern Alpine ridge: 5 to 15 cm over a wide area; in the east up to 20 cm;
elsewhere: smaller amounts or remaining dry
Temperature
At midday at 2000 m: about -8 °C
Wind
During the night: strong to storm force from the west
During the day at elevated altitudes and in the south: remaining strong; otherwise mostly moderate
Outlook through Friday, 14.02.2020
Thursday
In the morning, quite sunny weather will persist at first. During the day, precipitation will arrive from the west. The snowfall level will be approximately 1500 m. The wind will be strong to storm force from the southwest. In the northern Alpine valleys there will be a strong foehn wind.
The avalanche danger will not change significantly.
Friday
On Thursday night, snow will fall over a wide area in the north and there will be a strong westerly wind. During the day the precipitation will ease and it will become increasingly sunny. In the south it will be sunny and mild with a north foehn.
The avalanche danger will increase on Thursday night.”
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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@davidof, totally agree, but to be honest with you the response was more to do with @Whitegold, than anything else. As far as I can make out from 10 years or so of observing he does not post here on indeed anywhere else on the forum (and to be honest he’s a lot more objectionable on other threads) with any objective other than to irritate and troll. If he or she were seriously seeking to engage the tone and content of the postings would be quite different. As with a lot of these things it wouldn’t surprise me if it was some weird glove puppet. Then again maybe not. But nothing I have seen in the posts (despite them occasionally touching on quite serious issues) suggests that they are there to inform or encourage any type of sensible discussion.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Read the top of the page oh seekers of perfect indifference - this is a website for skiers who love snow....root for it, moan when it doesn't come and try and cheer each other up in times (like these) when things are difficult.
Go play games on wunderground with the hurricane schadenfreude troops if.....well, white gold is not your passion.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Lot of folks with controlfreak issues on here
Skied in a tshirt, today, at lunch.
Currently standing at ~1500m under rain.
At night.
In the middle of winter.
You sugarcoat it all you want.
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@Whitegold, happy not to sugarcoat it then. You just post here to wind people up. You’ve been doing it for years. It gets dull.
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Not to feed to trolls here, but interesting article about the Euro ski resorts and climate change. (Don't shoot the messenger, please!)
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/green-christmases-alpine-ski-results-ponder-future-without-153645018--ski.html
The Alps are particularly exposed to the ravaging effects of global warming.
According to the International Commission for the Protection of the Alps (CIPRA), temperatures in the mountain range have risen by nearly two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) in the past 120 years -- almost double the global average, and will continue on the same upward trend.
The WSL Institute for Snow and Avalanche Research in Davos, Switzerland, warns on its website of increasingly common "green Christmases" in the Alps, with stations below an altitude of 1,300 metres most affected.
"The vast majority of stations are seeing a clear reduction in the number of days with snow-covered ground, regardless of their altitude or location," it said.
The Montclar ski station sits at 1,350 metres.
Every year the snowfall recedes to higher and higher altitudes from about 1,200m in the 1960s to around 1,500m today.
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@Toadman, yep, climate change is real.
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To summarise, Altaski is trying to engage noza in some kind of meteorological dick waving competition, from America.
Problem is, noza has been posting here for years and is very well respected.
In other news, whitegold has impressed everyone outside of Newcastle by skiing in a t shirt.
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| snoozeboy wrote: |
To summarise, Altaski is trying to engage noza in some kind of meteorological dick waving competition, from America.
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 That's a pretty low threshold for a competition.
I was just playfully poking fun at Noza for his imprecise, non-location-specific, and not particularly accurate forecast summary. It was well deserved. I thought he was being tongue-in-cheek anyway.
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@snoozeboy, a t shirt in Newcastle in winter would surely be seen as a bit wimpish? somewhat overdressed
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