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The All New 19/20 Weather Outlook Thread

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@J2R, ah, not ideal. Bus to Gressoney la Trinite perhaps? Or even St Jean? Though it doesn't exactly open up a huge area.
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There is only one 2 man chair out of La Trinite, which is likely to be closed as well if the others are. I've taken the bus down to Gressoney St Jean before and had a fun day's skiing there, but I notice that yesterday even there all the lifts were closed.
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kitenski wrote:
this is Damuels today, I'm pretty sure this was down about the 60cm mark after the rain/warm spell...



By the power of grayskull!



I prefer your photo.


Does anyone know of any of these (webcams pointed at depth gauges) in the NW alps?
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@Steve77, that is in the NW Alps Laughing wink
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ZAMG have put out a warning for storm strength winds at the start of the week in Austria. Potential gusts of over 100kmh in lowlands and higher in the mountains.

(I would expect these strong winds will effect the Alps more widely at the start of the week, but details unclear for now).
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Am I right in thinking that end of Feb is looking like a mild one, similar to what we have had in January? Off to Mayrhofen on the 22nd.... I think I was spoilt on my first 2 skiing holidays in Tignes last year and the year before!
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@hinesy32, possibly. Maybe not.
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I was surprised today to ski over a ridge this afternoon and immediately onto sheet ice - it seem the weekend rain refroze and the wind stripped the snow on that slope and dumped it somewhere else.
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@hinesy32, It looks like more snow next week but after that the various medium term forecasts are suggesting that milder than average weather is quite possible. There is always an element of uncertainty so it might be mild but wet, which could still bring snow to the higher alpine (which the Zillertal has lots of) or it might be mild and dry which means perfect weather for morning skiing and afternoon beer drinking. Of course the weather could surprise us all and turn out to be cold and snowy.

However it turns out there is currently good snow cover everywhere so you should have a perfect skiing holiday.
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@munich_irish, there are also signs in the mid term on GFS and ECM that it could turn cold. So that’s also possible. The honest answer is that it‘s currently too far out to really want to predict with any form of confidence.
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not a forecast but looking good in the Aravis today


http://youtube.com/v/gOzFvBZLzGY

Seems like we'll get a top up Monday but not too much, maybe another 25cm and maybe a bit warm.
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Latest GFS favouring the Arlberg for next week, but still plenty of time for those figures to shift so I would not take it too seriously.



It does look like there could be some strong stormy winds pushing across the Alps from the west on Monday which could mean rain when the storm arrives at resort level. So have that in mind.

Chamonix



The Arlberg

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@nozawaonsen, indeed all options are possible though the runes are not good for the days of cold and snowy thing anytime soon.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao_index_ensm.shtml

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao_index_ensm.shtml

Depends on whether you consider the partially filled beer glass in front of you half full or half empty!

Next weekend should be top skiing in the Arlberg though Toofy Grin
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@munich_irish, yeah, but it’s not really. It’s more to do with the fallibility of long term forecasting at least in terms of providing a useful gauge of the weather as opposed to the broad picture.

The post was asking about the week from 22 February so that’s two to three weeks from now. An awful lot can change.

I’d have thought the weather last week and the forecast weather next week might provide a bit of caution given it was only a short while ago you were insisting there was nothing to suggest anything other than the “currently unbroken mild sunny winter weather.”
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The earlier 00Z was going more for a Haute Savoie-Valais focus, I guess this is shifting around with each run. Hoping some can make it over the Petit St Bernard to La Thuile.

Looking like a vast swathe of the Northern Alps are going to get something white out of it though, cooling down as it passes through and lower snow levels in the East.
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Chamonix Meteo are calling for a rain-snow limit dropping to 1200m later on Monday and dropping further to 900m on Tues. Sounds hopeful!

http://chamonix-meteo.com/chamonix-mont-blanc/weather/forecast/morning/5_days_weather_forecast.php
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@davidof, in the Chablais the 20cm of new snow has been largely blown off the sub layer of ice. It was either too cold, too light or too hard depending which way you looked at it. Made for interesting skiing!
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Chamonix Meteo are calling for a rain-snow limit dropping to 1200m later on Monday and dropping further to 900m on Tues. Sounds hopeful!

http://chamonix-meteo.com/chamonix-mont-blanc/weather/forecast/morning/5_days_weather_forecast.php

That sounds optimistic but plausible. The latest GFS has freezing levels between 1500m and 2000m in that area on Mon. and Tues and then crashing early Wednesday with the main show. Snow levels should be a few hundred meters below that, especially considering a little orographic cooling.
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@nozawaonsen, I would argue that the general prognosis was about right. It has been a very mild winter and which shows every sign of continuing. Yes we have just had a couple of days of snow ( and a day of rain before that!) and there are likely to be 2 or three days next week with a fair amount of snow. However a quick look at the 14 day forecast for the Arlberg suggests mild and generally sunny for 10 of the next 14 days. Even the GFS runs with suggestions of colder temperatures for north western Europe around 18th Feb. show persistent high pressure over southern Europe and also very mild temperatures there though maybe some general cooling right at the end of the run around 22nd but that really is off on FI. Yes it could change, weather forecasts always can and do, but the pattern of the weather this winter has been pretty settled and the things that might pressage change such as the arctic oscillation look set for the season. The various models are suggesting this and the folk who do their own longer term forecasts on here broadly agree.

Could all be wrong though Madeye-Smiley

Of course none of this rules out that it might snow on the 22nd of February in the Tirol.
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18Z swings the focus back West again...

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Any insight as to what the outlook is for La Thuile in the next forthnight or so? Any big snow accumulations predicted? Many thanks!
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“But Tasmin why are we wearing bikinis?”
“Do you remember that guy last night in Kilians?
“The one who kept taking about his big general prognosis and moaning about how it was going to be mild and sunny?”
“But it’s sheeting with rain and there’s a blizzard coming tomorrow!”
“I know but he knew some very positive people from the Northern Audit Office, up near Leeds.”
“Yeah, but he wasn’t was he.”
“From Leeds?
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“Not in the slightest. Really pessimistic. Kept telling me my pint was nearly empty and I’d only had a sip.”
“But he thought it was going to be sunny?”
“Adamant. And furious about it.”
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@psyxologos, yes , please read the thread above . La Thuile is under the 4 on 148 in the western alps
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Uh oh - snowmageddon for half term change over weekend ?? Shocked
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first saw this yesterday on meteox but didn t have enough detail to be sure, and it could still easily change, but for anyone driving down on Friday the weather looks miserable. How much grief it causes on the roads depends on the snow line, but potentially sets up a great weeks skiing for HT

http://www.meteox.com/forecastloop.aspx?type=1
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@luigi, yep and again on the 00z. Though a more direct westerly that increases snowfall in the west also risks higher snow line and stronger winds as it arrives...
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Any insight as to what the outlook is for La Thuile in the next forthnight or so? Any big snow accumulations predicted? Many thanks!


I want to see some make it across the Italian border. I'm hopeful, it's currently looking choppy at times throughout next week from the W/NW! snowHead


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snow line of 1500m suits me and my journey....being selfish LOL
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@luigi, yep and again on the 00z. Though a more direct westerly that increases snowfall in the west also risks higher snow line and stronger winds as it arrives...


The Atlantic seems to be really firing up next Fri/Sat on the 00Z, is this an outlier or a likely outcome? It was High Pressure building by then when I last looked.
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@davidof, in the Chablais the 20cm of new snow has been largely blown off the sub layer of ice. It was either too cold, too light or too hard depending which way you looked at it. Made for interesting skiing!


I will bold the Ice problem as it is causing a lot of incidents off piste as surprised skiers (like me) go from powder to sheet ice on wind exposed slopes. 4 groups, including 2 with instructors who should be better informed, had to be rescued at l'Alpe d'Huez yesterday on the Côtes de Rivet. Take care.


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@luigi, it’s a big outlier in the 00z, but a Valentine’s Day surprise has been cropping up occasionally for a little while now.
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I just wish it would all go away! (Sorry, others). With winds like are forecast, I won't be skiing for the first 3 days of my holiday. Mad
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@J2R, dont fret too much. We all get a little obsessive with weather watching as our holiday grows increasingly nearer. And while it's easier said than done, it's worth remembering that no matter how many times you check, and how many models you look at, it won't actually change what will happen, and we should try to focus on enjoying our hols whatever the weather gods deliver.
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@J2R, where are you going again? Laughing
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1-3m 10-day snow total above 2000m on the 0z GFS and ECM from Vanoise to the Arlberg. Fun times! It looks really windy higher up, however. And a threat of rain at the bottom of the lifts occasionally. The CMC is slightly less snowy. A parade of waves is directed right at the alpine region on all guidance with just enough cold air for a wintry solution. Overall the ensemble spread (uncertainty) is high, so let's buckle up and see how it plays out.
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@J2R, the winds looks strong, especially up around 3000m, but probably not quite as crazy as this past event. And there is the potential for light to - maybe - moderate snow accumulations almost every day next week.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone on here organise their ski holidays on the basis of snow forecasts, keeping flexibility up to the last minute? That is, maybe blocking out a certain week, and then grabbing a last minute deal to an area which forecasts suggest will get good snow? Or even, for those lucky enough to have great flexibility with their time, not even deciding on the when, let alone the where, until they see a forecast for good snow in a certain area for the next week, say, whereupon they grab whatever deal is available to there? It's just something I've been wondering about doing, but obviously one has to have a reasonable faith in the forecast for a few days out (although, of course, you can still choose wisely on the basis of where there has already been good snow accumulation).
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@J2R, if I didn’t have to family ski during peak holiday times due to wife working in school that’s exactly what I would do. Most people just don’t have the flexibility due to work and family etc etc I suspect.
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@J2R, I've done it occasionally, pencilled in one or 2 weekends, or a Scottish trip. Plenty of threads on here inc Mike whose gone around Europe to smaller resorts
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The 06 GFS drops 20mm of frozen precipitation on London, Reading, Cambridge and vicinity on Feb. 14 Shocked
Cool to see on the charts but unlikely to materialize. The airmass does not look quite cold enough IMO for snow to low elevations. But I could envision a little snow in the hills NW of London.
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