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@davidof, ah, that brings back happy memories! Know the place well! Smile
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Forecast is for a slightly colder and wetter than average March. A lot of if's and but's, but I'll take it...
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@ratkinsonuk, he talks about high pressure over scandinavia into early March, which ties in...nice to see he also uses the same EC46 weekly anomaly charts, even though they are very much hit and miss from week 2 or 3 onwards ...just trends.

Still have the strong reversal in the strat modeled for 6th Mar....much stronger and longer lasting reversal of westerly winds (below 0 m/s) than the previous 2 weak spells....so, greater chances of proper arctic cold heading south somewhere in the northern hemisphere as we head further into march, but no guarantee for alps



The previous two pretend SSW's (barely reaching zero m/s for 24 hours) have nothing on this.....currently modeled to stay negative throughout March.

"These go to 11"......anyone?
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I know I am opening myself to “we don’t have crystal ball” comments but do any of our snow head weather people have thoughts on what Italy may be like 2nd or 3rd week March. It’s the only time slot I have left this season and might help with booking a holiday. Thanks
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go to aosta valley, monterosa about to get tonnes of snow this coming weekend
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@MogulMonkey, friend out in alta badia area now, been snowing most days since Sunday.
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Yes there's no way of knowing for second or third week of March right now but Italy has gotten hit hardest over the last week and that looks set to continue so presumably as well set as anywhere. Cervinia always a good bet late season (though a lot of resorts should still have enjoyable skiing then).
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@MogulMonkey, friend out in alta badia area now, been snowing most days since Sunday.


We’re in Alta Badia at the moment. The snowfall 18 hours to early this afternoon was a significant top up, far more than forecast.
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Henri @ Wepowder is suggesting there is a bunch of Saharan sand on its way to the southern alps for the end of the week.
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Also seems to be that this weekends heavy snow also looks (at this point) to be punctuated by high temperatures

This season appears to be the season of the snow line. Lots of precipitation, but often too high for many.
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Snowing heavily bottom of the Col d'Izoard road at Laus up from Cervieres

https://www.viewsurf.com/univers/trafic/vue/7736-france-provence-alpes-cote-dazur-cervieres-route-du-col-de-lizoard

Meanwhile not a flake here in Serre Che
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Italy got the motherlode Cool

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With, it seems, a load more to come.
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Sunday morning still looking warm along the northern ridge. ECM mean temp anomalies here showing parts of Europe will be 8c above average, while the SW remains cooler under the main trough. But good consistency on the ensembles for a small low to cross north into Monday bring snow to low levels. Southern alps still the main beneficary by far.


For the 5th month in a row it looks like the NAO is going to go negative (or trend lower) around the start of the month.....quite a remarkable pattern that was forecast back in Oct by a moon cycle expert. Is it just coincidence....we'll never know, but that is easily one of the best season long range forecasts I've ever read....so will be watching out for Mr Smith again next autumn.


Another warm up in the charts around thurs 7th as the atlantic low pulls back west. And despite a massive band of high latitude blocking from scandinavia to greenland, europe is also under high pressure due to the atlantic low position bringing mild SW'lies. Cold air is trying to advect west from the NE (around the scandi high), but for now it's a stand off as the atlantic trough is more influential.....should start to get cold at the eastern end of the alps though.


Looking at EC46 for mid March, can see the northern blocking in a more favourable position over Greenland, and chances of cold air from the NE, and a southerly jet.....just loose ideas though at that range. Any impact from the strat warming would likely be second half of March too.


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The black is back on the wepowder maps

And its back for Italy again

https://wepowder.com/en
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The black is back on the wepowder maps

And its back for Italy again

https://wepowder.com/en


Is that a pretty reliable website, or does have snow-forecast syndrome?
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California -- Sierra Nevada mountains -- due 12ft / 150in / 3.5m / 350cm of snowfall from Thurs thru Sun.

Snowfall of the century.

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8611 wrote:
The black is back on the wepowder maps

And its back for Italy again

https://wepowder.com/en


Is that a pretty reliable website, or does have snow-forecast syndrome?


The actual narrative forecasts are excellent. The numbers that appear are generated by models which the narrative regularly says should be regarded as over or under estimates, so I think should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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A lot of the substantial accumulations of snow that were produced by the latest Retour d'Est episode, and you can read and see pictures here from the Queyras , went very heavy quickly as I found out yesterday, "neige très lourde qui purge déjà en coulées de neige humide", and was very wind affected.

So my take from this, trying to be optimistic, is that once the snow has settled, it's great additional cover for Spring snow skiing but powder it most certainly is not, unless North facing above circa 2200m.
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I've been eagerly waiting a number of weeks for it to hit the western Alps, but still no such luck. I'm now in the 'if it does, it does' camp. My only hope before the warmer air comes back in is that we get the promised dump tomorrow, but even that is gonna be a few inches of top-up at best.
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@ratkinsonuk I thought it was looking like more than “a few inches” in the NW this weekend, isn’t it?
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@ratkinsonuk, not expecting much tomorrow, it's all about Sun-Tues....30-40cm now showing on YR to low levels (ECM)

And that warm up into Thurs 7th is looking even further west based on quite a few models, with the deep cold making progress towards alps.....undercutting the scandi high, something I was hoping to see a while back.

Here are the range of 1500m temps....battleground between SW mild to the west the NE cold...eastern end is going frozen planet, west still uncertain

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@polo, good news for Austria then! ECM ensembles seem to have not updated on wetterzentrale for the last day though Sad
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@Weathercam, exactly the same in the Brenta Dolomites - good for piste coverage, but it's now too warm and the going is very heavy unless north facing and high up.
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@michebiche, I only use the meteociel version, here's latest ECMs for Haute Savoie and Salzburg

Can see there is still a bit of uncertainty on temps (sunday) starting high as expected, and then tues-wed Op ppn is an outlier, so it may dwindle away.
Eastern end drier and a bit midler.....until thurs 7th, where both Op and Control show the big drop.....but they too are cold outliers vs the pack. So low confidence overall at this stage.




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@ratkinsonuk I thought it was looking like more than “a few inches” in the NW this weekend, isn’t it?


Just going by what's been promised and the reality of what's hit. By the way, by promises, I'm not necessarily referring to SH forums. The guys do a great job, and I'd personally never put my name to anything more than 3 or 4 days out.
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@ratkinsonuk, not expecting much tomorrow, it's all about Sun-Tues....30-40cm now showing on YR to low levels (ECM)


I'm pretty sure I've seen something (reliable) somewhere that showed the Tarentaise was due a good dump on Friday. It just seems to keep drifting into the future and then evaporating. Of course, it won't stop me having a great time even if it means sitting in a bar watching the rain come down Razz
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OK, here are some of the supposedly more accurate short range models, total snow in cm's from WRF, PEARP and ICON out to mon....they can't all be wrong wink





But even squinting at the colours, it's still a 10x win for the south
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Reasonably confident at this point that the snow in Mayrhofen for my week from March 8 is going to be reasonably decent, and that's all I'm asking at this point, that's it not all melted away. Cover seems OK now and forecasts seem to be suggesting it may get a dusting of new snow before then. I think off-piste is probably not going to be great, but no matter, there's loads of great piste skiing to be done in the area.
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Crikey … 2.5m of new snow for Macugnaga.
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polo wrote:
OK, here are some of the supposedly more accurate short range models, total snow in cm's from WRF, PEARP and ICON out to mon....they can't all be wrong wink


OK, I'm holding you to that Polo. Please PM me your address just in case NehNeh
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Yes, and in fairness, the rising snowline and Saharan dust was flagged in the wepowder forecast (albeit it was a fairly obvious issue)

I've learned over time that the cms predicted by the models are only half the battle, the freezing level during and after is at least if not more important

If I could figure out why sometimes the snow is super light and other times not it would be the last piece of the puzzle. Haven't seen much written about that?
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Reasonably confident at this point that the snow in Mayrhofen for my week from March 8 is going to be reasonably decent, and that's all I'm asking at this point, that's it not all melted away. Cover seems OK now and forecasts seem to be suggesting it may get a dusting of new snow before then. I think off-piste is probably not going to be great, but no matter, there's loads of great piste skiing to be done in the area.


It won't be melted away. Mayrhofen safer than most "low" Tyrolean resorts
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@buchanan101, thanks, I'm sure it won't be. All looking positive at the moment. (Well, positive-ish. Two of our party of four have had to pull out of the trip, one with a broken leg and the other, my partner, with a broken shoulder. Given that our planned trip to Mayrhofen in March last year had to be cancelled because I had a heart attack two weeks beforehand, there's something rather jinxed about it. Smile ).
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wepowder certainly backing a lower snowline for this weekends action. Same is visible on bergfex and to a lesser extent's snowforecast's maps.

Subject to wind and avalanche risk there could be fantastic conditions in Aosta early next week
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Absolutely puking in Italy - Cervinia and Monte Rosa will be all time next week
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You've got 5 free Aosta days on your lift pass @BobinCH, and its only just over an hour drive to Cervinia!
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Downgrade of tomorrows snow expectations in the Tarentaise thanks to the Foehn , below is a changed new forecast from Meteo Tarentaise

Eh oh!Eh oh! Eh oh! Eh oh! Eh oh! FOEHN STORM WARNING TOMORROW AND NET CUMULUMS EXPECTED

Weather patterns have changed drastically since yesterday morning's forecast, causing a change in Depression Centers placement, putting us back into the recession once again...

And with an additional risk of a storm from Foehn and Lombardy!
Foehn storm in sight, gusts in the valley could reach 60/70km/h.
At station, gusts could reach 80/90km/h, locally 100km/h in exposed sectors.
At altitude, on exposed sectors, gusts could be in the order of 110/130km/h, locally up to 150km/h on border ridges and peaks.
We will have to wait until the end of the evening to hope the wind will calm down, as well as the arrival of rainfall, which should remain quite weak, about a dozen of cm expected at 1800m, locally 15cm at 2000m.
On the Val d'Isère and Tignes sectors, we could approach 20/25cm, locally up to 30/40cm on the border sectors.

Be on the lookout tomorrow, have a nice day!
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@Rob Mackley, each resort / area is of course different, especially as this was a marginal set up for anywhere not in Italy, SW.

There has been a steady drain of levels expected tomorrow in the NW, but at the same time significant increases for Tuesday. So yeah it’s a theme for the north, putting back the expected snow, as the overall pattern has been poor (main low too far west). But the whole sun-Tues period (spin off low) is still looking pretty good to me.

It’s another unusual pattern developing as the main trough pulls out back to the Atlantic, moving east-west, while leaving enough trough disruption (trying to sound technical) to provide some impressive numbers. It’s just not the normal NW flow we get, which is largely absent this season with very strong El Niño now finally fading out.

Am away from computer but all the things I hoped for in March are appearing on the charts, big Scandinavian high / undercut from east with arctic air, potentially running into southern Europe lows.

Cold is advancing from the E/NE on all models……will we get lucky late next week/into 10-12th roughly, is another unknown for now but it’s a good set up. Then the big strat reversal still to come.
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NW Italy due 50-100cm on Sun, above 1500m.

Mon is going to be epic Cool
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