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| altaski8 wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
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Yet more cold smoke on the way next week...
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Only Tuesday-Wednesday. And it could be widespread 25cm+ across the north. But then it's back to warm again.
Until then, the melt is on, despite a relatively low sun angle. |
Erm guess you didn’t see the snow on Sunday 
This warm you speak of is not really a problem above 2000m. So go high, ski powder and enjoy the sunshine! |
Erm guess you don't know what cold smoke is. |
Give yourself a night off eh
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| altaski8 wrote: |
| But then it's back to warm again. |
Erm... it will be nice and sunny after fresh snow. Surely you can squeeze a tiny bit of fun out of that? Surely? I mean if you can’t then. Well.
How much have you actually been out and about this season so far? Has it really been that miserable?
Because it comes down to this. Plenty of really good skiers on this forum have been out enjoying themselves so far this season. Look at the reports from people like @BobinCH, @clarky999, or @Weathercam. Now this is a tough season in terms of snowfall and temperatures, but somehow those looking to get in amongst it and enjoy have been able to do so over and again. So it’s there to be had. And I’ve been out there myself too and seen it for myself. Which leads me to the really rather inescapable conclusion that there is fun to be had, but perhaps some people don’t want to have fun. |
Yes this has been a really bad winter snow/ski season. 2nd worst of my life, behind only 2015/2016 in Vermont. There were some real stinkers back in the late 1980s, but I was happy to pizza my way down a sheet of ice back then. Any day out in the mountains is a privilege. And I don't blame anybody for taking that attitude. But some seasons are just worse than others. And this one is pretty bad. If you don't work for a living and you have the flexibility to chase snow and time the storms, maybe you can find some good snow up high in France. But most of the rest of us need a consistent week or two of real winter to get out and enjoy it. And up until now, and for the foreseeable, that is not what we're getting.
People form the UK really seem to like Skiwelt Wilder Kaiser. And I've been there many times, so I can say with confidence that the area is undeniably mediocre. That to me explains how so many on this forum can be content with a winter like this.
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| Nelbert75 wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
Yet more cold smoke on the way next week...
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Only Tuesday-Wednesday. And it could be widespread 25cm+ across the north. But then it's back to warm again.
Until then, the melt is on, despite a relatively low sun angle. |
Erm guess you didn’t see the snow on Sunday
This warm you speak of is not really a problem above 2000m. So go high, ski powder and enjoy the sunshine! |
Erm guess you don't know what cold smoke is. |
Give yourself a night off eh |
People say inaccurate stuff - I correct them. And around and around it goes. Just be accurate. And read the whole post.
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@altaski8, hahaha It’s -15 on Monday and Tuesday. And it usually doesn’t melt when it’s snowing. Are you tag teaming with @Whitegold? Please go away.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@altaski8, To quote from Morris from wePowder latest weather forecast for powder skiers
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| From Tuesday the cold smoke powder machine will start up again. The upper air flow becomes north-west to north and Polar air finds its way to the Alps. The snow line then drops rapidly from 2000 meters to deep in the valley and it starts snowing heavily. On Tuesday most snow in the northwest (count on 40-70 cm in the hotspots), on Wednesday in the northern stau of Austria (count here also on 40-70 cm in the hotspots). In short, it's going to get deep. |
You might want to argue with his forecast but he does seem to know what he is talking about with regard to powder snow
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @altaski8, both GFS and ECM suggesting snow (for higher northern Austrian alps at least) Sunday 2nd , Tuesday / Wednesday 4th & 5th and Monday 10th (GFS suggesting more widespread snow around 14th too). No doubt mild and dry interludes as well and the further away periods are all rather uncertain. To my untutored eye this looks like a typical +NAO pattern exactly as the models were suggesting as far back as October. As @nozawaonsen, has pointed out +NAO does generally mean mild but the wet bit that often comes with it can bring considerable snow to higher elevations. The low areas in the Bavarian alps near Munich are having very poor seasons, but that is hardly a rare occurrence. The higher areas, especially the snow magnets of western Austria, are having perfectly good, if not outstanding, seasons. |
Saturday is a comparatively cool day, but not much QPF. You gotta go up above 2500m or so on Sunday around the Arlberg for dry snow. That's a warm airmass coming off the Atlantic.
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| altaski8 wrote: |
| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| But then it's back to warm again. |
Erm... it will be nice and sunny after fresh snow. Surely you can squeeze a tiny bit of fun out of that? Surely? I mean if you can’t then. Well.
How much have you actually been out and about this season so far? Has it really been that miserable?
Because it comes down to this. Plenty of really good skiers on this forum have been out enjoying themselves so far this season. Look at the reports from people like @BobinCH, @clarky999, or @Weathercam. Now this is a tough season in terms of snowfall and temperatures, but somehow those looking to get in amongst it and enjoy have been able to do so over and again. So it’s there to be had. And I’ve been out there myself too and seen it for myself. Which leads me to the really rather inescapable conclusion that there is fun to be had, but perhaps some people don’t want to have fun. |
Yes this has been a really bad winter snow/ski season. 2nd worst of my life, behind only 2015/2016 in Vermont. There were some real stinkers back in the late 1980s, but I was happy to pizza my way down a sheet of ice back then. Any day out in the mountains is a privilege. And I don't blame anybody for taking that attitude. But some seasons are just worse than others. And this one is pretty bad. If you don't work for a living and you have the flexibility to chase snow and time the storms, maybe you can find some good snow up high in France. But most of the rest of us need a consistent week or two of real winter to get out and enjoy it. And up until now, and for the foreseeable, that is not what we're getting.
People form the UK really seem to like Skiwelt Wilder Kaiser. And I've been there many times, so I can say with confidence that the area is undeniably mediocre. That to me explains how so many on this forum can be content with a winter like this. |
Bore off you pompous twit
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| munich_irish wrote: |
@altaski8, To quote from Morris from wePowder latest weather forecast for powder skiers
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| From Tuesday the cold smoke powder machine will start up again. The upper air flow becomes north-west to north and Polar air finds its way to the Alps. The snow line then drops rapidly from 2000 meters to deep in the valley and it starts snowing heavily. On Tuesday most snow in the northwest (count on 40-70 cm in the hotspots), on Wednesday in the northern stau of Austria (count here also on 40-70 cm in the hotspots). In short, it's going to get deep. |
You might want to argue with his forecast but he does seem to know what he is talking about with regard to powder snow |
What does that have to do with me? I've been mentioning a significant snow event on Tue/Wed for days.
I've been reading wepowder for years. No I don't think Morris is a meteorologist. He doesn't sound like one. But I suppose I could be wrong.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| But then it's back to warm again. |
Erm... it will be nice and sunny after fresh snow. Surely you can squeeze a tiny bit of fun out of that? Surely? I mean if you can’t then. Well.
How much have you actually been out and about this season so far? Has it really been that miserable?
Because it comes down to this. Plenty of really good skiers on this forum have been out enjoying themselves so far this season. Look at the reports from people like @BobinCH, @clarky999, or @Weathercam. Now this is a tough season in terms of snowfall and temperatures, but somehow those looking to get in amongst it and enjoy have been able to do so over and again. So it’s there to be had. And I’ve been out there myself too and seen it for myself. Which leads me to the really rather inescapable conclusion that there is fun to be had, but perhaps some people don’t want to have fun. |
Yes this has been a really bad winter snow/ski season. 2nd worst of my life, behind only 2015/2016 in Vermont. There were some real stinkers back in the late 1980s, but I was happy to pizza my way down a sheet of ice back then. Any day out in the mountains is a privilege. And I don't blame anybody for taking that attitude. But some seasons are just worse than others. And this one is pretty bad. If you don't work for a living and you have the flexibility to chase snow and time the storms, maybe you can find some good snow up high in France. But most of the rest of us need a consistent week or two of real winter to get out and enjoy it. And up until now, and for the foreseeable, that is not what we're getting.
People form the UK really seem to like Skiwelt Wilder Kaiser. And I've been there many times, so I can say with confidence that the area is undeniably mediocre. That to me explains how so many on this forum can be content with a winter like this. |
Bore off you pompous twit |
Not impressed. Seriously. Tell me what you disagree with and why. Otherwise kindly refrain.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
| @altaski8, hahaha It’s -15 on Monday and Tuesday. And it usually doesn’t melt when it’s snowing. Are you tag teaming with @Whitegold? Please go away. |
Not in the real world.
Maybe you misread? Or are confused. Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Honestly guys, don't go all Trump on me. Let's use verifiable, factual information to discuss the weather. No you don't get cold smoke when it's 1°C. No it's not going to be -15°C on Monday. No it's not going to dump this weekend at 1500m.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
@altaski8, your not endearing yourself to people and your coming across like you might have had a glass or two too many. Honestly I’d just hit the light switch.
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People aren't endearing themselves to me by posting nonsense. People are just embarrassing themselves. This seems more like a hoping and wishing forum than a place for people with meteorological backgrounds to discuss the weather as it pertains to skiing. Which is sad. And definitely not what I'm used to on similar forums.
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You know it makes sense.
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I know it’s just so awful when people embarrass themselves isn’t it.
Like I said though good nights sleep it’ll feel a lot better.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@nozawaonsen, the 18z GFS was a really bad run (after the well discussed Tue/Wed event). Trying to argue anything otherwise is disingenuous or deluded. It's OK to admit when a model run is unfavorable. That gives you credibility when you say, another time, it looks good. Yes there is some snow out past day 10. But there is always something out on that fantasy island or whatever. And even in that fantasy world, the warm Atlantic is already encroaching. Let's wait until the long-range pattern looks favorable befall calling it good.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I didn’t call it good.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| altaski8 wrote: |
What does that have to do with me?
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Perhaps?
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Erm guess you don't know what cold smoke is. |
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No I don't think Morris is a meteorologist.
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I never suggested he was but did suggest he might know something about powder skiing, certainly enough that he seems to be able to spend a good deal of his life pursuing it. If you are a regular reader of his website you must have some regard for his views.
I too have skied a lot in SkiWelt. The biggest group of visitors are Dutch (good few Dutch owned businesses in Brixen), not so many Brits. It is not the highest or most challenging area, I tend to only visit in January when the snow is good. However many folk have great holidays there and are perfectly happy with the area, nothing wrong with that at all. Plenty of other places around for those for whom the gentle low slopes provide insufficient challenge.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
I know it’s just so awful when people embarrass themselves isn’t it.
Like I said though good nights sleep it’ll feel a lot better. |
No! It's awful when they embarrass themselves, get insulting and defensive, and don't fess up to their misstatements. And you're not doing them any favors.
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@munich_irish, you're confused by the sequence of posts. You missed something apparently.
There was agreement about Tue/Wed, but disagreement about Sat/Sun.
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| altaski8 wrote: |
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I know it’s just so awful when people embarrass themselves isn’t it.
Like I said though good nights sleep it’ll feel a lot better. |
No! It's awful when they embarrass themselves, get insulting and defensive, and don't fess up to their misstatements. And you're not doing them any favors. |
What parallel universe do you live in?
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I remember when this used to be the weather outlook thread
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Good luck with that forecast 
Maybe the front will speed up by about 12 hours. The numbers I'm looking at are more like 1-2°C on Monday at 2400m.
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| BobinCH wrote: |
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I know it’s just so awful when people embarrass themselves isn’t it.
Like I said though good nights sleep it’ll feel a lot better. |
No! It's awful when they embarrass themselves, get insulting and defensive, and don't fess up to their misstatements. And you're not doing them any favors. |
What parallel universe do you live in? |
Please read carefully before you post. It will save us both a lot of hassle. If you think I said something that I did not, we get stuck in this pointless, endless loop.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Incidentally, 1 meter storm totals are looking increasingly possible Tue. through early Thursday in the favored areas of the northern Alps. Thursday and maybe Friday in the east are shaping up to be excellent powder days.
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You know it makes sense.
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| altaski8 wrote: |
| BobinCH wrote: |
| altaski8 wrote: |
| nozawaonsen wrote: |
I know it’s just so awful when people embarrass themselves isn’t it.
Like I said though good nights sleep it’ll feel a lot better. |
No! It's awful when they embarrass themselves, get insulting and defensive, and don't fess up to their misstatements. And you're not doing them any favors. |
What parallel universe do you live in? |
Please read carefully before you post. It will save us both a lot of hassle. If you think I said something that I did not, we get stuck in this pointless, endless loop. |
You really want to do this? Where do we start...
The big melt... while it’s snowing over the weekend
The cold smoke next week... which apparently I wouldn’t be able to recognize
The impossible -15... for which I provided you the chart
The terrible year... for which I provided you with snow depths above average
You turn up here making your snarky, miserable comments and are surprised when people tell you to p1ss off. I suggest you’re the one that starts reading...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| BobinCH wrote: |
You really want to do this? Where do we start...
The big melt... while it’s snowing over the weekend
The cold smoke next week... which apparently I wouldn’t be able to recognize
The impossible -15... for which I provided you the chart
The terrible year... for which I provided you with snow depths above average
You turn up here making your snarky, miserable comments and are surprised when people tell you to p1ss off. I suggest you’re the one that starts reading... |
You fail on every point. Yes it's melting from now through Monday. No cold smoke this weekend below the very highest glaciers. No -15 on Monday. Below average in much of the Alps and throughout Europe.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Can someone help Bobin out, he's flustered and struggling with reading comprehension.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| altaski8 wrote: |
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12hrs can make a lot of difference in the Alps...the guy said Mon-Tue, and I see -20 at 3300 on Tue, which is easily -15 at 2400.
I've got some straws for sale if you want to clutch one...  |
Come on man. You're just wrong. It's not going to be -15 on Monday. Maybe up around 500mb. Why do people just dig deeper holes?
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Perhaps, it may be on Tue though which would make you look kind of daft. See you then fella, it's not FI
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| altaski8 wrote: |
Come on man. You're just wrong. It's not going to be -15 on Monday. Maybe up around 600mb. Why do people just dig deeper holes?
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You are probably being trolled 
Monday, well he doesn't say where and at what altitude but in the Mont Blanc area, on current forecasts, the zero iso will probably be around 2500/3000 meters. It was 2600 meters today and Monday is forecast to be warmer but it will be dry so won't make much difference. Over the weekend the French Alps look to get a lot of high altitude rain, up to around 2500 meters at times.
As for storm chasing, the snow is going to be very wind blown so the avy risk will go right up although the rain should help stabilize the base, so to hit powder you'll need to go high or ski right after the storm. Both potentially risky options - afterwards the powder will be trashed by the spring like weather at the end of the week. Last year was warm too and you really had to be ski right after it snowed but the base was pretty stable then so it was not too risky, it never snowed more than about 20cm at a time either.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| altaski8 wrote: |
It's awful when they embarrass themselves, get insulting and defensive, and don't fess up to their misstatements. And you're not doing them any favors. |
The projection is just astounding... Have a lovely evening!
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@BobinCH, just start on the previous page and read all the posts. I don't think there's really so much disagreement.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
I never suggested he was but did suggest he might know something about powder skiing, certainly enough that he seems to be able to spend a good deal of his life pursuing it. If you are a regular reader of his website you must have some regard for his views.
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I check his stuff because he has access to the hi-res ECMWF operational model and ensemble charts, which I don't pay to see. And because his focus is the same as mine. I appreciate that he has a lot of enthusiasm, he knows the different alpine terrain, and he is familiar with climatological winter patterns that affect the region. And best of all, he packages the information in an easy to read/view format.
I don't think he knows a lot that we are not capable of figuring out for ourselves, but I still enjoy reading his periodic summaries.
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I'm not going to add to the "debate" dominating the last few pages of this thread, but a small request: when posting temperature / precipitation forecasts, please can everyone try to include where, when and for what height (or in some cases, hPa) they are for? Context is important!
Most people do this already but there are some key culprits. Otherwise it can stir up false hope or disappointment.
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It is sad when a weather outlook thread on a friendly ski forum where everyone seems to have a big passion for skiing and the mountains starts reflecting the polarized world we see everywhere else... wish everyone a happy weekend. I am off skiing in the rain in the Western Norway
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