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Austrian Snow report Winter 2009/2010

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stanton wrote:
DB wrote:
Typical. No snow and then high avalanche danger.


Ground is way to warm, there is going to be alot of Avalanches this season.


why do you say that? Thinking an icy layer forming near the ground? The ground will cool to around just below zero with a snow pack on it. Would there not be more danger if you've a thin snowpack and very cold temps early season, sets up depth hoar.
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Suspect that snow doesn't bond well with the warm ground as depth hoar is also created.

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Meteorologists pin the blame on a weak bottom layer of snow. In many parts of the West, the first snowfall came early in the fall, when the ground was still warm. The difference in temperature between the warm ground and cold snow causes the flakes to form large-grained, square or cup-shaped facets, known as depth hoar, which don't bond well.

So instead of a cohesive base, that first snow became a slick, unstable layer prone to cracking under weight, whether from a heavy snowfall, from wind depositing drifts, or from people stepping on unstable terrain.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123068296788444099.html
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DB, and that means slabs sliding down the mountain I suppose ?
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As far as I'm aware it means the whole lot comes down right down to the ground/rocks underneath. It means many slopes will have 'bad foundations' and many more avalanches than usual.
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DB, last season it was lots of 'snow marbles' that supposedly caused slides due to bad consolidation of snow layers. Think I might stay on the pistes for early season atleast
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An in depth posting here on Temperature gradients, depth hoar, ground temps, air temps etc.

http://pistehors.com/news/forums/viewthread/368

Not a trival subject matter.
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Any guys on here know how its looking in the Ski Amade area after the recent snow? It's qiute hard to tell on the webcams how much has fallen, but it doesnt look like much more than a light sprinkling. I'm off to Muehlbach am Hochkoenig on the 2nd January, so quite a bit of time to go yet, but it doesnt stop me getting worried rolling eyes

I guess it should be cold enough now to have the snow guns running for atleast a few days, although they didnt seem to be running on the Hochkoenig webcams today.
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Ski amade = 20cm fresh but I wouldn't worry about early Jan now.

http://www.bergfex.com/oesterreich/schneewerte/?sort=BergNeuschnee24,DESC
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DB, Thanks DB, I know it's irrational worry but I'm sure it gets everyone, and you wont be able to stop me checking the webcams everyday! Razz
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Markus,

..... and don't look at this either. Wink

http://www.wetter.at/wetter/sport-freizeit/ski-wetter/oesterreich/salzburg/muehlbach-am-hochkoenig
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Markus, had email from friend just as he finished some ski touring at obertauern a few hours ago and said around 20cm fresh and still falling. I've seen snow settling on webcam at 1000m at schladming (hochwurzen). So not too bad, out this weekend so hoping it stays (gets) cold.
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DB wrote:
As far as I'm aware it means the whole lot comes down right down to the ground/rocks underneath. It means many slopes will have 'bad foundations' and many more avalanches than usual.


as the pic abtly shows:



Does/can this base layer consolidate and improve as the season goes on???
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kitenski, i don't think the base layer has gone rotten yet, snow has only just fallen, you need a decent temp gradient from base to surface and time to form depth hoar (marbles). Best thing to do is to read the various austrian state avalanche website reports tomorrow morning. Wasn't that photo above from the states last year?
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kitenski, i don't think the base layer has gone rotten yet, snow has only just fallen, you need a decent temp gradient from base to surface and time to form depth hoar (marbles). Best thing to do is to read the various austrian state avalanche website reports tomorrow morning. Wasn't that photo above from the states last year?


yeh from that WSJ article DB posted above, its:

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Looking at the crest of the back side of Logan Peak in Cache County where an avalanche was triggered and killed two snowmobilers. It went down in the area known as Rodeo Grounds.
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A couple of links to austrian avalanche sites

http://lawine.tirol.gv.at/english/

http://lawine-steiermark.at/index.php?frame=home
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Markus wrote:
Any guys on here know how its looking in the Ski Amade area after the recent snow? It's qiute hard to tell on the webcams how much has fallen, but it doesnt look like much more than a light sprinkling. I'm off to Muehlbach am Hochkoenig on the 2nd January, so quite a bit of time to go yet, but it doesnt stop me getting worried rolling eyes

I guess it should be cold enough now to have the snow guns running for atleast a few days, although they didnt seem to be running on the Hochkoenig webcams today.


And why aren't you staying with us!!!!wink wink Where are you staying?

But I do hope you will get in touch when you come here. Let me know nearer the time and we can do some skiing together.


This is an awful weather site!!

http://www.wetter.at/wetter/sport-freizeit/ski-wetter/oesterreich/salzburg/muehlbach-am-hochkoenig

It either forecast rain in the summer so when it doesn't rain your happy and in winter it forecast snow all the time!!

Look at this one -it is like the Met Office in the UK. much better.

http://www.zamg.ac.at/weather/austria/index.php?ts=1187845861


You will be glad to know it has been snowing here today and the forecast is looking good for the mountain!!
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Soelden last weekend

The village on Friday


Looking towards Rettenbach glacier


View from top of Tiffenbach glacier


Giggijoch area


Not snow related except that I saw it in the airport when I arrived home, a great ad!
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djfletcher wrote:
Same here. The wind last night blew all our rubbish all over the village!!!. But it is not raining here.

Where about are you in Gastein?? What are you doing there?

We often go to the spa baths only about 35 mins away from us. I like the Gastein valley.


I spend most of the winter here and do as little as possible (apart from skiing).

The valley is very susceptible to the föhn as it's right next to the continental divide and runs north/south.

I've never seen winds like that. They can apparently reach 200 kph. In one of the side valleys there's a 200m wide strip
of fallen trees where a fohn storm ripped through.

It's turned a lot colder now and it snowed down to valley level. The snow cannons are on for the first time on the mountain so there may be something
to ski if the main area opens on schedule on Friday.
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I went up to Obertauern this morning.
There has been a bit of snow overnight and it is bitter cold so the cannons are firing away!

It was fantastic!!

I even found some pow!!

I had to scratch around a bit but I found some!!!


Have a look here for more pretty piccies!

http://picasaweb.google.com/bptsax/SnowheadsObertauern0212?feat=directlink
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flangesax, You lucky bug! Toofy Grin
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flangesax, amazing pics, sooo jealous!!! Going green

Was there anyone else on the mountain at all? It's like they opened it just for you!
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Peter Ross, flangesax, thanks for posting the pictures.

djfletcher, We're staying at the Jagdhof Pichl - http://www.jagdhof-pichl.com/urlaub/de/pichl . Do you know where it is? The location information seems to be a bit vague on the website. You were booked up when booked our holiday, which was a shame, since you were pretty much the only place in Muehlbach that had space for 9 people. Hows the snow looking at the minute? Its nice to see that theyve had the cannons running for the last few days!
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luigi, well.... I have my contacts.... Cool
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topjack, keep the reports coming. i plan to be in bad gastein next week at some point... hopefully the predicted snowfall on friday will materialise


The main area opening has been put back a week until the 12th.

However Sportgastein is opening on the 5th. They've had a lot of snow at the top although still a lot less than in the last couple of years.
Two years ago it opened in early November with 1.5m at the bottom.

Dorfgastein is also due to open on the 5th but only for runs down to the new chairlift.
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SNOW SNOW SNOW!!!
Even down in Salzburg!!

HURRAH!!
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Looking at the webcams, it's been snowing down to resort level in Ischgl as well (and still is..)... Bring on the pow tomorrow! Cool
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Reporting in from SÖLDEN - a good 15 cms in the village already and it is still dumping down. Temperatures around -4°C

Couldn't be bothered to get up early and blast down here to ski today, so just pootled along in 1.5 hours overtaking snowploughs and swearing at the stupid obvious tourist driving like idiots is low vis with slush on the road. Now settled into the appartment and relaxing watching the snow continue to fall Toofy Grin

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Samerberg Sue, I think you suffer from Road Rage Shocked
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Samerberg Sue wrote:
Reporting in from SÖLDEN - a good 15 cms in the village already and it is still dumping down. Temperatures around -4°C

Couldn't be bothered to get up early and blast down here to ski today, so just pootled along in 1.5 hours overtaking snowploughs and swearing at the stupid obvious tourist driving like idiots is low vis with slush on the road. Now settled into the appartment and relaxing watching the snow continue to fall Toofy Grin

NehNeh NehNeh NehNeh


Great to hear Samerberg Sue, thanks for posting the update. See you Monday Cool
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Been out skiing around schladming today and yesterday. Some fresh snow yesterday and sunny & cool today. Upper piste in great shape but limited to mid station at most locations. There is snow on the ground to the valley but not quite enough to open the home runs. Pretty busy today with some queuing Evil or Very Mad reminds me of french skiing, but with a tad more snow I think more lifts will start to open. DJ David Gueta plays in schladming tonight, not sure who he is but can see the stage from apartment so some free entertainment.
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Superb conditions here in Solden, nice soft quiet pistes Wink
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Snowing fit to bust here in Sölden today - tomorrow should be lighter and maybe sunny, then the rest of the week is getting colder and more snow Thursday through to Saturday.

Can pick up a link for the other main places - for all I know the Pitztal has sunshine today! We won't be able to check when or if we get to the the top as it is clagged right down to the ankles up there.

Powder day today! Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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Rain at home Crying or Very sad snow on the slopes Very Happy
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Rain at home Crying or Very sad snow on the slopes Very Happy


Same here...
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SaraJ, flangesax, I gave up and came home - the fear factor was just psyching me out Crying or Very sad Still snowing hard down here in the valley and I'm as green as can be as the others are all skiing in beautiful light loose powder on piste. For me coming back from injury I just could not convince myself I would not hurt myself again. Plus in the white-out I was feeling seasick! Embarassed So after one run (if you can call what I was doing a "run") I called it a day. I'm off to look for a physio and then on to the Thermal Baths at Langenfeld!

Wind is generally about a Force 4 from WNW with gusts significantly higher. All the lifts are slowed down and the links to the glaciers closed, as well as the glaciers themselves. The cloud base does seem to be lifting slowly, so the weather may open up this afternoon. The only punters on the slopes today were the tourists, even though it is a holiday here - most of the locals decided to sleep in I think!

Temperatures due to go down in the cellar (as they say here) on Thursday and stay that way over the weekend with some more snow as well.

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Dump city in Solden, knee deep on the piste. The lads are doinf 'powder' training !
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Sounds great to me, I'm out on the 19th. Very Happy
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