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Ah. I see that David did not consider he was stealing bandwidth. Many webhosts would think otherwise. Not all will be aware of the process of stopping it. Moreover, it can reduce the flexibility to link to their own server from another site - and, I think, inhibit Google images, which some may want to have access. I would not be pleased if it happened from my sites without my consent (as some smiley hosts, for example, explicitly give).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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They paid for the bandwidth, you didn't. |
Well, that's obvious, but that's nothing to do with alleging theft. Whether someone has paid for something is irrelevant. One can be accused of stealing something that has cost the victim nothing.
I've asked you to refer us to any relevant legislation on this. Let's go there, before getting carried away.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| achilles wrote: |
| Ah. I see that David did not consider he was stealing bandwidth. |
Well, of course not. Just show us the legislation, and maybe any case law on this.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| But who is the thief? [if there is any legislation relating to this]. As I've pointed out, the host can easily control the hot-linking ... it seems ... so if they are not controlling the hot-linking are they de facto permitting use? |
Not only is that technically incorrect it's absurd, just because you can steal something doesn't mean you're obliged to.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| achilles wrote: |
| Ah. I see that David did not consider he was stealing bandwidth. |
Well, of course not. Just show us the legislation, and maybe any case law on this. |
of course you did, your systematic use of other peoples copyright images over a number of years has resulted in this being pointed out to you several times before.
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| ise wrote: |
| Not only is that technically incorrect it's absurd .... |
It's not technically incorrect at all. Go to many of the News International sites, or countless others, and try to hot-link from them. It's correct that hot-linking is prevented.
By the way, there's something I'd like to take up with you on the etiquette front.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| ise wrote: |
| Not only is that technically incorrect it's absurd .... |
It's not technically incorrect at all. Go to many of the News International sites, or countless others, and try to hot-link from them. It's correct that hot-linking is prevented.
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Not it is not, it's simply that you don't know how. Again your lack of understanding of the media and technology really ought to stop you making statements like this but it never seems to.
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David Goldsmith, dear me. I didn't think you would believe it OK to steal if you could get away with it. Most hosts would simply not think it worth the hassle to complain with a view to prosecution, though actions taken against wifi thieves suggests they might be successful. The Seedsite puts the case against hotlinking rather well.
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OK, does anyone else have any views about hot-linking?
Have you done it? Do you believe you were stealing bandwidth by doing so? Do you believe that sites hosting photos can prevent hot-linking?
achilles, it's rather ungentlemanly to accuse someone of theft in public. Why not discuss it with your fellow gentlemen at the Castle Hill Club? (are you able to discuss it with the ladies, or are they prevented from entering or speaking in the building?)
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| achilles wrote: |
| David Goldsmith, I didn't think you would believe it OK to steal if you could get away with it. |
Perhaps the mods would care to comment on that remark?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| achilles wrote: |
| David Goldsmith, I didn't think you would believe it OK to steal if you could get away with it. |
Perhaps the mods would care to comment on that remark? |
and also of your breach of the snowheads' terms and conditions in publishing material that is the copyright of News International in this thread.
PS - you think it is wrong that I thought you wouldn't believe it OK to steal???? How bizarre.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Some people accuse some Snowheads of bashing the SCGB whenever they can but seems this thread seems to have turned into a bash David Goldsmith thread!
Not the first time and I'm sure not the last but is there any chance you can take it elsewhere chaps?
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David Goldsmith, I'm confused 
Are you saying that you have a problem becuase someone has said that they thought you would think that stealing was wrong?
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You know it makes sense.
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David Goldsmith, I'm confused
Are you saying that you have a problem becuase someone has said that they thought you would think that stealing was wrong? |
Elizabeth B, you're confused, I'm confused.
The famous snowHeads 'registration terms' and 'terms and conditions' say nothing about hot-linking, which is commonly practised in this parish.
What is the moderators' position on this? Does it comprise theft of bandwidth, in the moderators' view? Does it comprise theft of copyright, in the moderators' view?
If the answer is "yes" I'll most willingly stop it, as I'm sure will everyone else who has fun with it.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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roga, threads go where they will in this forum. Always have. I suppose the mods could split his thread - but I don't see the point. After all David's criticism of the SCGB attitude to copyright, whilss at the same time appearing to have a cavalier attitude to it is interlinked in this thread's posts.
How have you got on in approaching the SCGB on your problem? I gather James is away at the moment - but I see you had some good advice in the SCGB forum.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| achilles wrote: |
| David's criticism of the SCGB attitude to copyright, whilss at the same time appearing to have a cavalier attitude to it is interlinked in this thread's posts. |
What about the commercial motive? Do you think that's relevant to the discussion?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, bandwidth theft is not mentioned in T&Cs. Publishing on these pages is done by a a variety of methods. Perfectly acceptable hotlinking from snowmediazone, for example, direct upload (available to some members) or , in your case by linking to another site without, you having gained the site owner's consent - if that's what you did. Whatever the means of you getting a picture to this site, once it is here it is you that has caused it to appear. If you have the copyright owner's consent, I can see no breach of T&Cs. If you haven't, I can. Whether or not the mods agree to hotlinked pictures, it leaves you poorly placed to criticise the SCGB for not observing copyright.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Happy New Year. 
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achilles, yes we get the message.
I think it's time now for the mods to open the horse's mouth on this. I'm not the only one who hot-links on snowHeads. Hundreds of fun people have done it.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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achilles, yes we get the message.
I think it's time now for the mods to open the horse's mouth on this. I'm not the only one who hot-links on snowHeads. Hundreds of fun people have done it. |
But, dear chap, it is you who hotlinks, yet primly comments on SCGB use of others' pictures
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Ahhhh, hotlinking, I think we'll get the 20pages of circular argument now!!
Hot Linking can be a bandwidth Killer, but it can also be a very good way of pulling people into your site.
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Winterhighland, of course it can. Which is why some sites specifically choose to encourage it. Others do not. Which is why it's nice to check before hotlinking.
SMALLZOOKEEPER, to you also! 
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I'll certainly stop it if it contributes to global warming.
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David Goldsmith, it would appear to me that the position is quite clearly summed up here
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| I think it's time now for the mods to open the horse's mouth on this. |
Is a llama close enough?
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Elizabeth B, thanks. There will be no more hot links from me on this site.
Can we revert to the issue of snowHeads news photos? They are published, I think always, without credit to the photographer or source. They are re-hosted by snowHeads, presumably by copying them from the original hosting sites.
What is your position on this?
Are these photos copyright or public domain? If the former, are they published with permission?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just for people's information, James Cove is now back and has responded immediately:
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| I got back late last night from a trip to Switzerland so was unaware of the incident, but I have just been assured the mistake was genuine, apologies have been made and they have been accepted. There are no hard feelings between the parties involved. |
Good of him to be so quick to respond and hopefully it's a good sign from the SCGB.
I have asked him about flagging up procedures to the people on the team who seem to forget periodically what the correct way of doing this is.
achilles, yup I got some advice on the forum
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Great work everyone. Only 15 pages to go. I thought the llama was a nice touch but who is looking after the llama's image rights?
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You know it makes sense.
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Bode Swiller, beat me to it (again)! I'm really enjoying this, from the enviable position of knowing next to nothing about the relevant provisions of copyright law. I do, however, get the distinct impression that I am not alone in this.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, it is great stuff but I'm clueless about where we're at right now. I thought I knew what a hotlink was but the theft of bandwidth stuff has me stumped. All a futile waste of words. In the final analysis, if you lose control of your own intellectual property it's your own fault. No point talking of legal action or accusing others of theft (even if they have blatently nicked it), if your stuff was so precious in the first place you should protect it. There. Copyright Bode Swiller. My lawyers are watching.
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Poster: A snowHead
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So. The party's over. Nothing more to see. Just the cleaners going around with the hoover. Til next time. Who's going to start the next Bash-the-SCGB thread?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Bode Swiller, worst case of llama privacy invasion I have seen for years...
Glad we have resolved the SCGB issue, and the hotlink issue. What can we argue about for the next 15 pages?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| achilles wrote: |
| Who's going to start the next Bash-the-SCGB thread? |
The SCGB. 
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Great work everyone. Only 15 pages to go. I thought the llama was a nice touch but who is looking after the llama's image rights? |
We know a song about that 
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama
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OK OK OK So I shouldn't of posted the llama.
Here's a horse
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OMG its February 2004 again !
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Glad to see that the matter has been amicably settled and all is now sweetness and light 
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