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For those traveling to Aosta valley I've just nicked this from admin on the Gnabug thread....
quote="admin"]Press release from Valle d'Aosta, this morning.
(Translated by Google)
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Important message
CORONAVIRUS UPDATES, THE AOSTA VALLEY CONFIRMS ITS SAFE DESTINATION
Following our communication yesterday in which we promised to keep you updated on any possible evolution in this regard, we point out that all the tests performed in recent days have given negative results and therefore, at the moment, there are no cases of coronavirus, not even suspected, in the Aosta Valley.
We enclose with you the official press release that we have asked the Region's Press Office to translate also into French and English so that we can use it to reassure our guests and those who have already booked a stay at our facilities.
The invitation we make to you now is to try to transmit through all the social channels you usually use a message of normality, of open and functional accommodation facilities and lifts, of the Valle d'Aosta system that works and continues to welcome in full security our welcome guests.
At the same time, we inform you that we are also trying to coordinate with the Regional Tourism Department and the Office régional du Tourisme to pass a similar message on their official channels.
Filippo Gérard
President
29, via Bonifacio Festaz, 11100 Aosta
T. +39 0165.44008 | F. +39 0165.34334
info@adava.it | www.adava.it |
Press Release ENG[/quote]
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I’m scheduled to fly direct to MXP from JFK on Monday and then take the train to Bolzano for a 10-day ski trip. I’ve read trains are less crowded but running regular schedules and flights continue to arrive and depart. If that changes all bets are off.
What a crazy situation!
I really appreciate reports from people who are there now - thank you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@geoffknight, Take it or leave it...
Clean Hands first though
All I can say is at the beginning (Nov/Dec) of every ski season in St Anton (which I can remember 30yrs) various flu/diarrhea type viruses spread rapidly throughout the Ski Bum/transient employee community..
St Anton is not alone in this , it happens when economic migrants from all parts of the world converge on one ski area...
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I just spoke to an official from the Irish Dept of Foreign Affairs and he said that the towns in the following advice were not be visited:
“There has been an increase in the number of confirmed cases of Coronavirus in Italy. As a result of this, the Italian government has placed travel restrictions on the towns of Codogno, Castiglione d’Adda, Casalpusterlengo, Fombio, Maleo, Somaglia, Bertonico, Terranova dei Passerini, Castelgerundo and San Fiorano). For the moment, therefore, we are advising citizens not to travel to these towns”
Other than that it’s normal precautions and Turin will be ok as a stop-in-transit to another destination. They’re in touch with the Italian gov and WHO on a daily basis. Keep an eye on their travel app “TravelWise” daily is what he told me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Just seen this on Facebook.
“Just had this message from someone in Italy now:
I am in Tonale at present and the media have blown thing up a little. At present the bars close at 18:30 and internal sports have been stopped. Skiing is still permitted and they are reviewing 1st March.
Also just heard on news that 2 Uk schools have closed following school ski trips to Italy last week
Not looking good is it....”
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Ironic that they write...
"the media have blown thing up a little"
followed by
"Not looking good is it....”
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| jbob wrote: |
| Also just heard on news that 2 Uk schools have closed following school ski trips to Italy last week |
I think one of those schools had been to Bormio, which is a fair distance from the affected towns even though it is in the same region.
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| jbob wrote: |
| At present the bars close at 18:30 and internal sports have been stopped. |
Ye Gods that's bad. I'm very partial to both bars and 'internal sports'.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Tue 25-02-20 17:23; edited 1 time in total
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| stanton wrote: |
Folks
Would you take a holiday to a warzone?
This region of Italy is currently the largest Covid19 hotspot in the Western Hemisphere..
Resorts are full of international visitors
Once there you could become part of the problem (carrier) transporting the virus back to your home country..
Some Governments have been very slow or even careless with advice.
Dont become part of the problem. |
Really? Equating a handful of towns that you don't have to go anywhere near but if you did you might but probably wouldn't catch something that's probably already pandemic and yet still less prevalent and less dangerous than many strands of flu to a warzone? Purleeeze.
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@jbob, what's the clinical effect of closing the bars?
Does that mean that any copping off has to be done at pace?
Is it to try and reduce the off-copping of the "active" population?
Is NCOV-19 an STD?
I am confused.
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@sergeantslow, perhaps a bit much there but to be fair, many of @stanton,s links and post here have been useful.
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You know it makes sense.
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| LaForet wrote: |
| Doing some research on this, to put things into perspective: If you travel to India you have a 43% chance of contracting an illness, and a 10% chance of contracting more than one (according to the US CDC). Of those falling ill, about 1 in 3 will get a gastrointestinal illness, about 1 in 5 a respiratory illness. Few people get the more high-profile diseases like malaria, probably because the preventive measures are well-understood and most people take them. So despite an almost 2 in 5 chance of getting ill with something that will at a minimum spoil your holiday, and at worst see you in hospital, lots of us still choose to go. I just put this out there for the purposes of setting a context for the Coronavirus numbers. |
Yes but the issue, summarized well above in the post by the chap / girl with the pharmaceutical background, is not so much the risk to you its to risk to others that will contract it from you. The illnesses you pick up in India are unlikely to affect anyone else other than yourself. The measures we're talking about are in place to prevent the spread of the virus. By analogy there are 6 people dead in Italy who would not be dead if the virus had been contained elsewhere. I'm not worried about dying, but I don't want to irresponsibly contribute to a risk of killing others, all for the pursuit of something which, while I am incredibly passionate about, is not essential for my life.
Now if it is already endemic and everywhere and we may as well get on with things it might be different. But if there's a chance of containing it we should assist that chance?
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@8611, agreed
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sigh - am going to Westendorf on Saturday  --- what the the chances of an escalation ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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This information is on BBC website which shows why there is so much concern about the virus :-
is the Coronavirus worse than Flu or Sars ?
The answer is not as straightforward as it might seem. The virus appears to kill around 1% of people infected. This is far less than Sars (10%) Mers (34%) or Ebola (50%). However, what matters is how many people it can infect. Flu has a low death rate, but it kills hundreds of thousands of people each year because it infects so many. We still do not know if this new coronavirus is going to spread round the world.
Who is worse effected by virus?
The old and the sick. The current fatality rate is less than 0.5% for people under the age of 50. But it rises to 8% for people in their 70s and 15% for people over 80. Meanwhile, nearly 11% of people with diseases of the heart died when infected. As did 7% of people with diabetes and 6% of people with long-term lung problems. The average for healthy people is 0.9%.
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@snowxxx, As usual, the mainstream media are doing a pretty poor job. As I understand it, there are just not enough good data yet to be able to say very much at all, with confidence.
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I know it's not exactly a great source but had a good chat with my insurance company about where we stand on cover (basically to get it clear in my head). And from what I can tell medical cover within Italy will be limited IF it's down to coronavirus due to this being a already noted issue but all other medical cover is unaffected, also the EHIC would cover the majority of that anyway, I also asked if they had an official position of whether they recommended still travelling (considering they won't cover if I cancel anyway) and that was to travel as per normal but avoid the listed towns whilst keeping up to date with PHE/WHO advice.
So at the moment we're still going but going to check what our employers say as wasting a weeks holiday will cost a lot less than 2 weeks without work if we get Quarantined! 
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Goldman Sachs has restricted all business travel to, from and within South Korea and the Northern Italian regions of Lombardy and Veneto in the wake of the coronavirus spread, a staff memo seen by Reuters on Tuesday shows.
The Wall Street lender has also advised staff to postpone all non-essential travel to, from and within the rest of Italy, as well as other parts of Asia, excluding Australia, New Zealand and India, the memo said.
Also applies to Deutsche, Credit Suisses, Lazards, BNPP & Citi
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/goldman-citi-among-banks-curbing-italy-trips-over-coronavirus-fears-sources
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Anyone planning to travel to Italy would be advised to keep checking as things seem to be changing quite quickly...
12h00 CET Italy
Coronavirus: 283 cases detected in Italy
25 February 2020
Update h. 12.00 PM
At the Headquarters of the Department of Civil Protection, the Operational Committee continues to work in order to ensure the coordination of response operations by the components and operational structures of the National Civil Protection Service.
As regards health monitoring related to the spread of Coronavirus on national territory, 283 people have been reported as currently infected in 7 regions and in an autonomous Province.
In detail: there are 212 confirmed cases of Coronavirus in Lombardy, 38 in Veneto, 23 in Emilia-Romagna, 3 in Piedmont, 3 in Lazio, 2 in Tuscany, 1 in Sicily, 1 in the Autonomous Province of Bolzano. 109 patients are hospitalized with symptoms, 29 are in Intensive Care, while 137 are in home isolation. One person has recovered, while 7 have died.
18h00 CET Italy
Coronavirus: 322 cases ascertained in Italy
February 25 2020
Update at 18.00
At the headquarters of the Department of Civil Protection, the work of the Operating Committee continues in order to ensure the coordination of the interventions of the components and operational structures of the National Civil Protection Service.
As part of health monitoring related to the spread of Coronavirus on the national territory, 322 people are currently infected in 8 regions and in an autonomous Province.
In detail: there are 240 cases of Coronavirus in Lombardy, 43 in Veneto, 26 in Emilia-Romagna, 3 in Piedmont, 3 in Lazio, 3 in Sicily, 2 in Tuscany, one in Liguria, one in the Autonomous Province of Bolzano. 114 patients are hospitalized with symptoms, 35 are in intensive care, while 162 are in home isolation. One person has recovered, while 10 have died.
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Breaking ....
Innsbruck..Tirol
Grand Hotel Europa (opposite Innsbruck Hauptbahnhof) has been qurantined & isolated/closed .
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So much scaremongering. Think I am going to disconnect from the internet for the next few weeks....
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@8611 Yes, yours is a good point i.e. that containment is one thing, while risk to individuals is another.
Containment would demand that no one go to Italy at all for the moment. That way, the infection will be contained to Italy. Indeed, if no one travelled to or from the UK, that'd be the ideal containment measure. There are obviously a set of issues to be discussed here that are dependent on how far you can compromise this ideal containment strategy with practical limitations and consequences. e.g. if we do allow travel to Italy outside the closed areas, what's the chance of people bringing the virus back? At what point - in terms of numbers of infected arriving back in the UK - do we shut the door'? etc.
Risks to individuals are a separate issue, dependent on probability of infection, and the seriousness of an infection (and other things I'm sure a virologist/epidemiologist would be able to tell us). For example, I know someone with a serious respiratory condition - telling them "It's no worse than getting 'flu" isn't helpful because for them, getting 'flu is potentially fatal.
As someone said, the trouble seems to be that at this stage, the metrics aren't clear.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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So, despite my posting earlier that I’m feeling ok after returning from Montgenevre via Turin last week, the dry cough I’ve been shrugging off is getting annoying. My nose is also running. I’ve been tired since returning which I’ve put down to post-ski fatigue. No other symptoms. Now I’ve rang 111 but there was a 20 minute wait and the website was down. I’m not able on a whim to lock myself in a bedroom To self-isolate for 14 days though would do if I know I’ve got it obviously. There must be loads of people like me around who just don’t know what to do. Is it just a “flight cold” or more serious? Most I suspect will shrug it off - which is where it’ll be able spread more easily.
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You know it makes sense.
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I was in Aosta valley last week, traveled via Milan Linate and Malpensa. This was only really blowing up as we left (on Friday)
I can't see the risk at a Milan airport being any higher than any other intl airport. The containment zone is well south east of Milan and no one is allowed out, and to drive to the snow you go in the opposite direction.
We got temp checked at Linate on the way in.
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We are off to Turin on Sunday and not worried as long as the airport is open we are going.
Been looking forward to it for ages... grrrr
If it was Milan I would be more worried but as long as airport is open and they have the heavy infected areas shut down risk not huge yet.
Could get caught out whilst over there and not be able to get back which is more of a worry.
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@bambionskiis, I read today that a runny nose isn't one of the symptoms. Do you have a fever?
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| drporat wrote: |
| Basically we have reached a phase where everyone is exposed. |
I think you might be right given global mobility, incubation period and transmission/infection rate. I reckon symptoms/reporting will be well behind the spread by now.
And I'm not being alarmist about it but just think we need to accept it's going to spread widely while doing what we can to slow it down and protect the vulnerable.
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I firmly believe that the number of cases being exposed in Italy is because they are actively checking.
The number of people who have returned from impact regions and contacted the appropriate NHS numbers when feeling ill who have his the told to isolate themselves but not been tested is I am sure why we don’t have many identified cases.
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| LaForet wrote: |
@8611 Yes, yours is a good point i.e. that containment is one thing, while risk to individuals is another.
Containment would demand that no one go to Italy at all for the moment. That way, the infection will be contained to Italy. Indeed, if no one travelled to or from the UK, that'd be the ideal containment measure. There are obviously a set of issues to be discussed here that are dependent on how far you can compromise this ideal containment strategy with practical limitations and consequences. e.g. if we do allow travel to Italy outside the closed areas, what's the chance of people bringing the virus back? At what point - in terms of numbers of infected arriving back in the UK - do we shut the door'? etc.
Risks to individuals are a separate issue, dependent on probability of infection, and the seriousness of an infection (and other things I'm sure a virologist/epidemiologist would be able to tell us). For example, I know someone with a serious respiratory condition - telling them "It's no worse than getting 'flu" isn't helpful because for them, getting 'flu is potentially fatal.
As someone said, the trouble seems to be that at this stage, the metrics aren't clear. |
It won't help if no one will go to Italy, because people from Italy (local citizens/tourists) are going anywhere. we can just prepare for what's about to come. One look at the TV screens showing the empty shelves in Italian supermarkets and the queues outside pharmacies is enough.
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Myself, my wife, our daughter, son in law and two young grandaughter's are booked with Crystal to fly into Verona and go to Passo Tonale on the 14th March.
I checked with Crystal yesterday and they seemed very aware and knowledgeable, they are obviously monitoring the situation carefully on the ground in Italy and I was quite reassured that although they are a commercial organisation they also appear to be considering their customers interests.
I did enquire as to whether it would be possible to change destinations right now but unfortunately at this late stage according to their terms and conditions we would lose 90% of our holiday cost to do that so their advice was wait and see, they said that if the Government declares it unsafe to go to that area of Italy we could change destinations to an equivalent or better resort somewhere else at no cost or claim a full refund.
On that basis we have little choice but to sit tight and see what happens over the next week or so, I don't want to lose around 5K and for our grandaughter's to miss out on their first ski trip but I will definitely not put my family at risk so will cancel if we all agree it's the right thing to do.
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| bambionskiis wrote: |
| So, despite my posting earlier that I’m feeling ok after returning from Montgenevre via Turin last week, the dry cough I’ve been shrugging off is getting annoying. My nose is also running. I’ve been tired since returning which I’ve put down to post-ski fatigue. No other symptoms. Now I’ve rang 111 but there was a 20 minute wait and the website was down. I’m not able on a whim to lock myself in a bedroom To self-isolate for 14 days though would do if I know I’ve got it obviously. There must be loads of people like me around who just don’t know what to do. Is it just a “flight cold” or more serious? Most I suspect will shrug it off - which is where it’ll be able spread more easily. |
Dry cough and running nose can be a symptom of common cold or flu. I wouldn't worry if no fever and respiratory distress. See that you have everything you need at home and let's hope Hammock's Razor is on our side 
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @oliverracing, face masks don't do anything other than make you look stupid. |
Not sure this is totally true. I think they don't reduce the risk of the wearer catching the infection - even though this is probably why most people use them! But if someone is already a carrier (and probably not yet aware that they have it) a mask may reduce the risk of passing it on to others.
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| teerev wrote: |
Myself, my wife, our daughter, son in law and two young grandaughter's are booked with Crystal to fly into Verona and go to Passo Tonale on the 14th March.
I checked with Crystal yesterday and they seemed very aware and knowledgeable, they are obviously monitoring the situation carefully on the ground in Italy and I was quite reassured that although they are a commercial organisation they also appear to be considering their customers interests.
I did enquire as to whether it would be possible to change destinations right now but unfortunately at this late stage according to their terms and conditions we would lose 90% of our holiday cost to do that so their advice was wait and see, they said that if the Government declares it unsafe to go to that area of Italy we could change destinations to an equivalent or better resort somewhere else at no cost or claim a full refund.
On that basis we have little choice but to sit tight and see what happens over the next week or so, I don't want to lose around 5K and for our grandaughter's to miss out on their first ski trip but I will definitely not put my family at risk so will cancel if we all agree it's the right thing to do. |
Same here - flying to Passo via Verona with the family on the 14th March too....sitting tight to see what they advise over the next few days!!
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Regarding the recent update in Italy, according to Corriere della Sera, they are not (currently) planning on expanding the red zone. The three that passed away were in their 80s and 90s.
Waiting....
Waiting....
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