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The All New 12/13 Weather Outlook Thread

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as someone who is geographically dyslexic, can anyone tell me which part of the alps Val Thorens/3 Valleys is in? Thanks
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Looks like the Dolomites might get a good hit on Monday / Tuesday Smile
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Holy crud, looking like a lot of snow is going to fall in the next week, i just hope that i can get to the ski resort next sat if it continues, more worryingly the Uk has some snow forecast, more than a cm and i think my fligths will be canceled NehNeh
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ian66, I think Val Thorens/3 Valleys is the Vanoise. Espace Killy is Haute Tarentaise.
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xander89, there is still a considerable amount of uncertainty about how much snow might fall in the coming week.
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xander89, there is still a considerable amount of uncertainty about how much snow might fall in the coming week.


How much yes, whether there will be any snow? most likely, i tend to underestimate peoples ability to deal with snow considering as soon as there is so much as a dusting in the Uk everything grinds to halt. Hell a bit of ice is enough to ground flights in the UK.
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Looking like some much needed snow will fall on the Pyrenees from Saturday onwards Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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xander89 wrote:
nozawaonsen wrote:
xander89, there is still a considerable amount of uncertainty about how much snow might fall in the coming week.


How much yes, whether there will be any snow? most likely, i tend to underestimate peoples ability to deal with snow considering as soon as there is so much as a dusting in the Uk everything grinds to halt. Hell a bit of ice is enough to ground flights in the UK.


Actually I meant in the Alps.
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i tend to underestimate peoples ability to deal with snow considering as soon as there is so much as a dusting in the Uk everything grinds to halt

it doesn't take much snow to bring Geneva airport to a halt and a trace of fog will halt chambery in its tracks. And there are no ski buses running here this morning, and a few clowns who thought they could manage without chains seem to have bunged up the road. The roads are chaotic for the time being. Good job it's dead low season; there aren't many folk around. I have plenty of provisions and am currently making some bread.
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i tend to underestimate peoples ability to deal with snow considering as soon as there is so much as a dusting in the Uk everything grinds to halt

it doesn't take much snow to bring Geneva airport to a halt and a trace of fog will halt chambery in its tracks. And there are no ski buses running here this morning, and a few clowns who thought they could manage without chains seem to have bunged up the road. The roads are chaotic for the time being. Good job it's dead low season; there aren't many folk around. I have plenty of provisions and am currently making some bread.


this is what i am somewhat worried about re my late transfers atm, just hope it isnt snowing/they have cleared up the roads if there has been any fresh snow. I was talking about both Noza, the weather seems to be leaning towards snowing recently, as you say too early to say how much, but either way somewhat of a worry if it does end up chucking it down here and in the alps/geneva the day we are due to leave. Maybe too early to count my chickens but i like to think at least a little bit into the future and plan just incase things do take a turn for the worst
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skiinfo.fr has this to say about the recent snowfall

> 40 cm à Chamonix et aux Carroz,
> 37 cm au Grand Bornand et aux Saisies,
> 35 cm à Flaine, aux Rousses, à La Clusaz, Manigod et la Rosière,
> 30 cm à Ste Foy, Megeve, Valmorel, Morzine et aux Contamines,
> 28 cm à l'Alpe d'Huez
> entre 20 et 25 cm à Val Thorens, la Plagne, Val d'Isère, Tignes, Les Menuires, les 7 Laux ou bien encore à Monts Jura
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Mr Piehole, wooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo. Very Happy
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Hi all

This thread is as fantastic as ever - thank you for all the work you put into it.

This may be a little early to say but any inkling as to what the week commencing the 21st January may hold weatherwise for Tignes? Be nice to see the sun at least once or twice during the week.

All the best Very Happy
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ian66 wrote:
as someone who is geographically dyslexic, can anyone tell me which part of the alps Val Thorens/3 Valleys is in? Thanks


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=val+thorens
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xander89,
this is what i am somewhat worried about re my late transfers atm


If you're on a package, sit back and enjoy the fact its none of your problem Toofy Grin
It did take us 28 hours to get from Geneva to La Plagne once, via a nice night in Macot en Plagne salle des fetes. We were just glad that while all the other sheep had enjoyed the Mcdonalds at the comfort break in annecy we had enjoyed Carre Four and had "a chicken", bag of salad and 3 bottles of wine..... Skullie
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ian66 wrote:
as someone who is geographically dyslexic, can anyone tell me which part of the alps Val Thorens/3 Valleys is in? Thanks


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=val+thorens


NehNeh

ok, at the risk of looking even more stupid, let me be clearer in my question!

Would you consider it to be in the North/South/East or West of the Alps, as many of the comments on this thread are of the nature "x cm of snow expected in the Northern Alps in the next y days"
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plan just incase things do take a turn for the worst

warm clothes, a good book, some sandwiches....plenty of charge in your phone. There was a night a few years ago when hundreds of people had to sleep in school gymnasiums, church halls etc in Bourg St Maurice when the road up the the Espace Killy was completely closed, nobody could get in or out of the resorts. Skullie

It's a ski holiday. snow happens.
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Would you consider it to be in the North/South/East or West of the Alps, as many of the comments on this thread are of the nature "x cm of snow expected in the Northern Alps in the next y days"


ahh. East/West I think was defined quite well by Nozawa in a posting before christmas where I think he said: "draw a line from Lake Constance to Lake Garda and anything East of that is Eastern Alps and anything west is Western.

As for North/South I tend to think of things in the Flaine/Portes de Soleil, Chamonix area as being northern, and Alpe D'huez, deux alpes, Serre chevalier, miky way being southern (although the likes of Isola are really the proper southern). Which leaves good ol' VT slap in the middle rolling eyes
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Good breakdown of alpine areas here: http://wepowder.com/forecast/alps
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Good breakdown of alpine areas here: http://wepowder.com/forecast/alps


I'm starting to quite like the wepowder site, nice design and (hopefully) good data.
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sah, Occasionally a bit optimistic on amounts of snow, but pretty accurate as to when and where it's going to fall, I've found.
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nozawaonsen, we're off to La Plagne early in the morning, any chance of a quick update on what we can expect through the week please.Thanks in advance of any update!!
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The key characteristic next week is going to be the temperature. It is going to be cold. Here's the anomalies on ECM.



And it looks set cold for at least the next week, possibly longer.

There will be snow on and off which should keep things fresh, and with the low temperatures it will snow to low levels, but it does not currently look like it will be extreme in terms of amounts. That said snow to low levels can complicate things.
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nozawaonsen, cheers for the update. The weather for my trip next Tuesday sounds pretty much spot on! One thing ive noticed in the chart above is the temperatures over northern Greenland. +12c in January, how often does that happen?
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Ricklovesthepowder, that's not the temperature it's the anomaly. So it's 12 degrees warmer than it would normally be not 12 degrees. Not that common, but not hugely unusual.
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This would bring some reasonable snow for the southern Alps on Monday and Tuesday.

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In terms of the geography of the Alps have a look at this from last year (click on the HISTALP link).

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HISTALP has a useful map, but I tend to think of the Eastern Alps as roughly east of a line between Lake Constance (Bodensee) and Lake Como (so further west than it appears on the HISTALP map).

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This would bring some reasonable snow for the southern Alps on Monday and Tuesday


It looks like that depression is set to sit there through to friday before drifting off north east. So it doesn't look like there will be many blue sky days all week! That same Low will probably be bringing us some snow here in Scotland as it passes through on the way there.

I see that ecmwf have relented on that anticyclone for next weekend for the north UK although are still giving us warmer air than gfs. If we can avoid that it may be some reasonable snow here?
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Carinthia and the Dolomites look like they will benefit early next week.



Elsewhere snowfall looks like alternating with the possibility of some clearer spells.

Looks like snowfall in the UK early next week too.

But it's the Pyrenees which look like are really going to take the prize...


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given the low temperature over the next week will the resorts generally be making snow to supplement the base on the main resort runs or do they think they have enough for the season? Does running snow cannons significantly affect the profit they make over a season?
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Snow cannons have been running all day in Montalbert ...risb98,
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risb98, running snow cannons is expensive, but less so when the temperatures are cold. So some resorts will use the colder weather to build up artificial snow to consolidate pistes for later in the season.
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Looking cold all week on the 18z.

Ending the week very cold.

Snow on Monday in the Alps particularly the Dolomites and southern Austria.

Snow again midweek favouring the eastern Alps.

The Pyrenees look like they are going to have a very snowy week.
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nozawaonsen, how are the western alps looking?
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Just got back from Les Deux Alpes and the snowfall on Thursday evening into Friday was a very welcome top up. There was knee deep powder in many places mid mountain. Just before we left it was getting COLD. -8 down in town might not seem too crazy, but compared to the beautiful sun filled days earlier in the week (with temperatures around 3-4 degrees), it felt arctic.

Certainly am glad not to be there this week, cloudy, low light, -13 down in resort, horrible wind chills higher up. No thanks Cool
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Wow looking cold by wednesay Shocked

Here in the UK its looks really cold too next week.
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nozawaonsen wrote:


But it's the Pyrenees which look like are really going to take the prize...


The snow has just kicked in here - 10cm overnight, light snow today and getting heavier come Monday and Tuesday. With empty slopes it looks like a few days of fun ahead Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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If you look at the third frame (showing the anomalies) you can see how much of western Europe spends the next week a fair bit cooler than average.

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html

Looking at the same chart for precipitation you can see the western Alps is actually drier than normal in the coming week. With more snow in the south and east of the Alps and the Pyrenees.

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html
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that'll do nicely; there's shedloads of snow.
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that'll do nicely; there's shedloads of snow.


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And if someone can arrange for the following week to be dry and sunny I'd be eternally grateful.
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