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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Having just been for a walk in Edinburgh, I can confirm that its blinking freezing today (although I am recovering from a virus) - massive turnaround from the last few days.
The problem is - like the Alps - there is not a cloud in the sky.
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Any input from the experts on whether the western alps remain mild over the next few weeks?
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Wed 1-01-20 5:51; edited 1 time in total
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@sussexmartlet, Focus is a fairly normal news magazine. They are quoting a meteorologist from the Weather Channel indulging in what is called "Fantasy Island" forecasting around here. If you put a few suppostions on top of a few other ones then you can forecast practically any sort of weather. More likely are conditions in line with the various long term winter forecast which suggest mainly mild and wet weather with maybe a few colder spells. If it is really wet then maybe that could mean very heavy snow at the highest elevations of the alps (note if... maybe... could).
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@munich_irish,
It just seems the snowline is remaining very high for this time of year.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @sussexmartlet, Focus is a fairly normal news magazine. They are quoting a meteorologist from the Weather Channel indulging in what is called "Fantasy Island" forecasting around here. If you put a few suppostions on top of a few other ones then you can forecast practically any sort of weather. More likely are conditions in line with the various long term winter forecast which suggest mainly mild and wet weather with maybe a few colder spells. If it is really wet then maybe that could mean very heavy snow at the highest elevations of the alps (note if... maybe... could). |
Fair enough, I hear you, and agree. Crazy journalism to have a headline like that and essentially the reality of the article is that it probably won’t happen but it could, in theory, happen. But I suppose that’s life as it is now in the media.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Wed 1-01-20 6:49; edited 1 time in total
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| Ptspeak wrote: |
@munich_irish,
It just seems the snowline is remaining very high for this time of year. |
In my experience of going to the alps for the last 13 years, it’s not unheard of, but yes it is remaining very high for this time of year.
I don’t go to the super high resorts of France and Switzerland, I frequent Austrian resorts of around 1,000 meters, so just my personal experience, but, it has seemed to me over those years that winter/snow (especially to the resorts that are around 1,000 meters) has been arriving later and later.
Every year is very different and of course it varies based on location but, for example last year I was in Seefeld in mid January and we had a crazy amount of snow in resort at approx 1,100 meters, very unusual but this year seems different in that, having moved into January there is very little sign of decent snow fall or a fall in the snowline.
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@sussexmartlet, you may be onto something, it is almost as if the climate is getting warmer
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@sussexmartlet, it is not just your subjective experience the climate statistics show that over the past 50 years winter has become shorter and arrives later. In general the snowline is lower the further east you go so villages in Austria around 800m do normally get a reasonable amount of snow (though not necessarily before mid January) but villages in France at the same height do not get regular snow.
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You know it makes sense.
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I think what we are seeing are more marginal events. Half a degree Celsius can be the difference between snow and rain. Warmer air masses reaching the alps (or the UK) are more saturated but higher temperatures there mean greater uncertainty for snow.
unsettled and warmer air masses may not be cold or stable enough to make snow artificially. Higher ski areas continue to receive deeper snow cover but may be stormbound more often. The freezing level can rise to high elevations for longer periods even in mid winter. The result is an increasingly hit and miss season particularly in areas more exposed to the Atlantic.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Cold blast coming this Saturday with fresh snow to low levels in Austria. 06z op goes for cold and snowy second week of January, but will it pick up support?
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@munich_irish, and on the flip side, TOs have conditioned the skiing public to expect resorts to open way too early.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@nozawaonsen still feels like there isn't much agreement between GFS and ECM models for the next week or so.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@under a new name, but this is not a new thing. When I started going skiing in the mid 1980s there were a couple of years with little or no snow at New Year. I decided then that the best time to go was last week in January / first week in February as it was more snow sure. The tour companies then (no DIY internet booking....) heavily promoted Christmas and New Year as that is when lots of folk have time to take holiday, no different to now. These days I live in easy reach of the mountains I can go pretty much whenever there is decent snow which can be anytime from late November to early May.
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| alr1970 wrote: |
| Does anyone know how to access an archive of those ensembles? Those images will update 6 hourly and it's a bit of a hassle to save them to Flickr, etc. from a mobile phone. |
I’d like to have historical ones of these too. It’d be fun to combine a whole season into a gif to get a feel for how often the far out ripples die down to nothing or turn into something real.
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Thinking of pulling the trigger on a 3 day outing to Fieberbrunn, on basis of Morris' recommendation, anyone any thoughts on the 20 - 30 cm predictions for Saturday into Sunday? To be honest it looks good - just about enough snow to ski off piste, cold temps and clearing weather after, avalanche risk low at the moment and I would assume unlikely to increase significantly
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Looks like the weather gods are joining in with dry January
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| kitenski wrote: |
| Looks like the weather gods are joining in with dry January |
As with most “dry January” plans this one ain’t going to last either @kitenski ... it will be a boring, uneventful month if it does ... gulp
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@franga, I hope you are right  I've flights booked into GVA on 17th jan!
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@8611, thinking more 10-20cm followed by sun. Should be good.
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| 8611 wrote: |
| Thinking of pulling the trigger on a 3 day outing to Fieberbrunn, on basis of Morris' recommendation, anyone any thoughts on the 20 - 30 cm predictions for Saturday into Sunday? To be honest it looks good - just about enough snow to ski off piste, cold temps and clearing weather after, avalanche risk low at the moment and I would assume unlikely to increase significantly |
Fieberbrunn is well-known as a snow pocket. It caught and held the best snow during a snow drought in Jan 2007 when I was in the area. Kitz was wind-scoured, they even cancelled the Hahnenkamm.
Now with links over to Saalbach-Hinterglemm, it's a good little spot.
Can't comment on current conditions and forecasts though.
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Scotland Highlands last week recorded their highest ever December temperature.
19c (66f) in the day.
17c (62f) at night.
Insane.
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Snowdepth for the next ~3 weeks in Europe and Western Russia.
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You know it makes sense.
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Apart from snowfall in Austria on Saturday the outlook continues to be generally, dry, mild and sunny.
So look sharp. People are going to be checking out your moves.
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
Apart from snowfall in Austria on Saturday the outlook continues to be generally, dry, mild and sunny.
So look sharp. People are going to be checking out your moves.
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Planning on Skiing in Garmisch on the 15th and Saalbach on the 24th. What are the chances the outlook changes and there’s decent (hopefully falling to low levels) snow?
In other words, how often does the outlook change 2 weeks and 3 weeks out?
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Very often is the short answer. That said as others have mentioned once a blocking high is in place it can stay for a while. Or not. You won’t necessarily see it shifting at the far end of the ensemble run. It may happen without a great deal of notice. Or it may not...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| once a blocking high is in place it can stay for a while. Or it may not... |
Reminds me of December 2016
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EC 12 from yday is flirting with a Scandinavian high at the end of the 10 day period. Some ensamble members and the control was following this up. Might have given more precipitation on the south of the continent from around 13 of January. No support from EC 00 operational and latest GFS's. Most likely the high pressure will linger around for a long time.
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@südtirolistdeutsch, what height is that pic ?
The only forecast that I can be sure of that will be of benefit is that the hordes will all feck off tomorrow and we'll be back to some sense of normality 
Great ski touring weather and yesterday we were scoring cold snow on aspects that at a lower altitude I thought would be Spring, and still so much snow around the 1,800m level into valleys.
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25cm of fresh snow for the Dachstein region this weekend, less more towards the West. Freezing level is descending towards 500m Saturday afternoon in Salzburgerland.
https://skiweather.eu/snowaccumulation/
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| Weathercam wrote: |
@südtirolistdeutsch, what height is that pic ?
The only forecast that I can be sure of that will be of benefit is that the hordes will all feck off tomorrow and we'll be back to some sense of normality
Great ski touring weather and yesterday we were scoring cold snow on aspects that at a lower altitude I thought would be Spring, and still so much snow around the 1,800m level into valleys. |
Would you care to guess where it is first?
Hint:.Read the logo on the train
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| nozawaonsen wrote: |
| Very often is the short answer. That said as others have mentioned once a blocking high is in place it can stay for a while. Or not. You won’t necessarily see it shifting at the far end of the ensemble run. It may happen without a great deal of notice. Or it may not... |
Beautifully summed up! 
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@südtirolistdeutsch, Scuol or nearby?
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@südtirolistdeutsch, that's a Swiss train, Chur, Klosters?
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @südtirolistdeutsch, Scuol or nearby? |
Close!
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