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Scottish Snow 2010/11 - latest webcams post 1

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roga, I live in France Very Happy and Im Swedish, most of the time I spend in the pyrenees, but also alot in the alpes Very Happy
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It is looking doubtful it will be possible to get Winterhighland back online this evening. Reached something of an impasse with support and WH wont be coming back up without a shift of physical hardware if not service provider. Will update when I know any more!
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Winterhighland, i promise it was nothing to do with me refreshing webcam views every 5 minutes!!! Just looked on the traffic Scotland webcams and it is snowing heavy near Drummochter Pass Very Happy
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It has just started to snow very hard in Glasgow. If it cools down a little bit and carries on I don't think I'll be making it out the door in the morning Laughing
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Accumulated rain radar returns indicating 4-6inches at Glencoe, possibly as much as 10inches at the summit run level at Nevis Range since rain started to turn to snow. Snow showers now piling in as well. Maybe an inch or two so far at CairnGorm.

However your not going to find 10inches anywhere, theres going to be very little fresh sticking in some places and some serious drifts in others. Given the severity of wind forecast overnight for the next 3 nights there will be severe drifting (unless we suffer a snap thaw/freeze on Friday evening which could dampen it down) but with it also stormy by day Thursday and Friday there could be a lot of tidying up and storm recovery work to be done.
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Winterhighland, in terms of Glencoe & Nevis what's your best guess as to what/where the snow will be filling in?
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Winterhighland, hopefully they will be out on the mountains pisting it all down first thing tomorrow morning so it won't all blow/wash away.
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Ricklovesthepowder, I don't think any staff will be going up the mountains tomorrow or Friday. It'll be too windy and squally to attempt to run a chairlift or gondola. Earliest they'll be up is Saturday I reckon. Best skiing will be Sunday.
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Is it just me or is the cool trend set to continue for the next while?
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roga, I live in France Very Happy and Im Swedish, most of the time I spend in the pyrenees, but also alot in the alpes Very Happy

Nice, sounds like the Pyrenees have the better conditions at the moment!
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roga, http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Aberdeen_ens.png gives you the idea!

Recently had a 54mph gusting 96mph from the WSW at the Glencoe SSC Hut, now that's relatively sheltered from that direction! Toofy Grin

Temp is -3c and just a shade above freezing at the carpark, but dp below 0[c] so snowing to the moor.
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Check out the webcam from the mountain spirit place down in aviemore SNOW!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Update from the Mountain

Thursday 3rd February
HIGH WINDS AND HEAVY SNOW AFFECTING ROAD AND MOUNTAIN -
ROAD CLOSED PLOUGHS WORKING - REVIEW 9.00AM
It is unlikely to open for snowsports today.

Aviemore webcam
http://www.winterhighland.info/wombat/wombat.php
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Looks like more new snow in Aveimore than up the hill at Cairngorm. Here in Aberdeen this morning it is cold dry and there is hardly a breath of wind, the sky is blue and there is hardly a cloud to be seen - marked contrast to the weather reports for the rest of scotland!
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Keeping it real, looks like a tiny window of opportunity Monday .... from MWIS for Cairngorm

Threat of local flooding. A temporary improvement possible Monday and early Tuesday before a spell of mild, wet and windy weather midweek

For West Highlands

A temporary improvement possible Monday and early Tuesday before a spell of mild, wet and windy weather midweek.
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Dave Horsley, from the webcams i've seen it looks to have freshened things up on the mountain too...

kitenski, what's prompting the local flooding threat?
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1-2 inches on the ground in the village, bluebird and calm. now, where's me shovel Toofy Grin
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We're leaving a long weekend up in bonnie Scotland tonight. Any ideas on where we're likely to find the best conditions on Friday. We're staying nr Aviemore but don't mind a drive to get to any of the resorts.
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You'd better get up there barry, you could always get the skins out Wink

MoodyFFS, Just that looking at the SSC hut cameras there doesn't look to be a lot of fresh on the balcony, nor on the bare patches on the east wall of the lady - hopefully snow has been drifting in elswhere, particularly the gulleys and fence lines.

Bluebird day here in Aberdeen, cold but mostly dry overnight.
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chained to the desk I'm afraid Dave, gorgeous day though - at least you'd be able to see the drifts up there!

foley, lets see what the latest forecast brings a bit later. If the winds stay up as already predicted friday could be difficult. THe lecht might be sheltered enough from westerly gales to be a goer but the speeds are getting up to the point where even there might be dodgy. THat said it's flat calm in aviemore right now, although still blowing i believe on the hill. Depending on the snow in the strath too, the dash for the lecht could be a bit more exciting than you'd like on the roads. Keep an eye on it through the day, but tomorrow might be a snowman & sledging day!
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Thanks Barry - will keep an eye on the situation
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barry,

Is there enough fresh at low level for Bill to get the piste machine out and cut tracks in the forest at glenmore? Thats an alternative for foley, if its too windy up the hill, some xc in the forest. I've had great days skiing in the Clash when it been blowing a real hooley on the open moor. I don't think the snow made it far enough east to have freshened up the trails at the Clash though.
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Dave Horsley, maybe still a bit shy of that to be honest, but that's just going on what's in Aviemore, could be plenty more up around the trails above the loch in particular though. Certainly i imagine there's enough to skip about on but maybe not to get the beastie out. I'll do a recce in the afternoon up the glen and see what the story is
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MoodyFFS wrote:
kitenski, what's prompting the local flooding threat?


A thaw and heavy rain I'd guess??? From MWIS:

Planning Outlook for all mountain areas from Friday, 4th February, 2011

Extremely unsettled and, at times, very windy weather will persist into next week. On Friday mild, very moist air will extend quickly northwards to reach all but the extreme northern Highlands by dusk. Prolonged heavy rain, preceded by snow, with extensive low cloud developing across western ranges. Southwest winds widely increasing to storm force over mountains. A slow moving cold front will wave across central areas of the UK over the weekend with its associated rain (snow on hills over northern edge. Threat of local flooding
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starting to blow a bit now in aviemore, just saw some spindrift pass my (upstairs)window Shocked. Blustery though rather than sustained. Sun is shining directly down from the hill otherwise i'd get a good pic of the wider cover up there, maybe later
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kitenski, oh I hope not! Smile
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Just looked at one of the gfs runs and it looks cold until the 11th at cairngorm, has the general outlook changed or am I reading this wrong? Mwis is saying heavy rain and possible floods, this suggests otherwise?

http://www.gregh.co.uk/php/gfsruns.php?select=Cairngorm
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Ricklovesthepowder, the GFS is showing that after the 9th there will be a rise in temps above the average. Remember that although the line is sitting at near the 0 degrees mark, this is for approx. 1,500m above sea level. The 'gorm tops out at 1,000m so down at the base level it will be nearer to about 3/4 degrees.... BUT there is little agreement so I wouldn't unduly worry yet...
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Looks from the webcams like it's still snowing currently too as far as I can make out....
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Ricklovesthepowder, do you see the spikes on the 5th Feb, that is the thaw, but then there is broad agreement of it being colder than average until the 7th Feb, then the lines start to diverge, meaning less agreement.

BUT this is just the GFS view, anything could happen and probably will, and it also can change massively in the 6 hour runs of the GFS!!
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bluebird has flown the nest, storm on the way now
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Additionally, don't forget as well that although these are the NEAREST co-ordinates to the Cairngorm, the local picture could look altogether different Smile
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Snow-Forecast is calling for nearly no rain at the Nevis gondy top and plenty of snow and wind. The start of the week could be very good indeed...
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scotia, it looks a lot more pleasant than this time last week... when at one stage there 21mm of rain forecast above 2000m! Shocked
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Colin must be off for a ski as its supposed to be his day off. Very Happy
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The Friday afternoon evening spike on the GFS ensemble is interesting! A look at the corresponding synoptic and 850hpa temperature charts show a wide box shapped warm sector sliding across, the front at one point dissecting Highland Scotland before edging back South. A pretty severe thermal gradient of >10c across Scotland at one point!

However around the front itself though the 850hpa temperature gets to 0 to 2[c] across the Central Highlands, the heights are very low due the depth of the depression. At the warmest 850hpa temps late afternoon the 850hpa height is below the Summit of CairnGorm, at around 0 to 1[c] - which would give a spell of very heavy, but very wet snow on very stormy winds (this is a similar situation to the storm that did the key base building on Hogmanany for the 2001 season, except a more Westerly component to the wind vector than the S-SW that night).

This is too close to call from the global models, a better idea might be obtained when the NMM and NAE mesoscale models come out later this afternoon, but it's likely to be a nowcasting or even wait and watch one! Some parts of the Highlands look set to stay just out of the warm sector, and the places closest to the front but not actually getting rain to all levels could get a real plastering. Cross everything!

Beyond, well the 06z ensembles have a 22c divergence mid run - such huge spread suggests a shot at a major pattern change, the operational is heading into the freezer, but it is far from the coldest with a cluster of runs getting down to then flatlining around -15c at the 850hpa level! Fascinating weather watching ahead, though not always for those of a nervous disposition!
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