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airbornebadger, the view is particularly fine today, thank you.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Credit to XXXX for listening to the numerous negative comments and removing the product from sale.
Though it would be better if they nuked the link and thus all promotion or endorsement of it!
Hopefully Snow & Rock will also see sense....
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Fri 22-03-13 10:07; edited 2 times in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Haggis_Trap, I am not a computer wizz. I think you have to delete your link.
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Haggis_Trap, gsb, I think you are at cross-purposes: Haggis_Trap, is talking about the link to the product on the Ski Bartlett website while gsb, is talking about the link in the OP. I think you both need to do some deleting to satisfy the other.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I fail to see the issue - the limitations of the product are clearly stated on both sites.
As far as i'm concerned, part of the going off-piste ritual should be a gear check, mine and that of the others in the party, at which time anyone attempting to go out with one of these would be identified, appropriately savaged and dispatched to rent a grown-ups unit.
As for the morality of the issue, there is none, this is merely hyperbole.
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Refresh your browser. Store name now removed from the title.
Good on them!
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Haggis_Trap, well done. Some of the name removal (in the OP and thereafter) has been a bit inconsistent and you still have a later post linking to their product page ...
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Fri 22-03-13 10:03; edited 2 times in total
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DT68, why the big fuss about removing the link? It's a fact that they were selling the thing, and it's also a fact (and one which will be clear on clicking said link) that they are no longer doing so.
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Lizzard, 'cos Haggis_Trap said he would. I suppose he would see it as a reward for listening to public opinion.
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Might you want to strap one of these onto your dog? Dogs use different apparatus for searching
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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GJsophie, no, for a couple of reasons:
1) You have to catch and turn off the transmitter on a no doubt excited dog before you can start searching in the event of an accident. This is a waste of time.
2) If your dog and your mate get buried how do you tell which is which. The dog isn't the priority in that case.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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GJsophie, but Barkletts have stopped selling them.
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Probably only the best trained dogs should be out in avalanche terrain anyway, so point 1 shouldn't be an issue. But agree about point 2.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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Credit to XXXX for listening to the numerous negative comments and removing the product from sale.
Though it would be better if they nuked the link and thus all promotion or endorsement of it!
Hopefully Snow & Rock will also see sense.... |
Are we not allowed to mention Ski Bartlett then? I agree that the name should be removed from the title if that info is no longer correct, but this 'airbrushing' of history seems a tad strange and over-sensitive.
As I see it, Ski Bartlett were criticised (rightly, IMHO) for selling a stupid product. They have now removed that product and we have noted that too. Well done, but it doesn't change the fact that they did at one point sell it. Sweeping it under the carpet is a very strange reaction.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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albinomountainbadger, lots of airbrushing going on - always has been and always will be. A couple of posts seem to have disappeared including the one from qsb stating that they had not sold any of the items anyway. There appears to be a shortage of gullible and naive people in need of protection - it must be the government's fault.
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Poster: A snowHead
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^ Personally I don't wish a small independent ski store any harm - which is why I was happy to remove their name once this issue was addressed. However to try and take moral high ground, as you are doing, is ludicrous.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Fri 22-03-13 10:43; edited 2 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Haggis_Trap, I'm sure that everyone will be pleased to know that none were sold. Would you now please remove us from the 1st line of your post.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| gsb wrote: |
| I'm sure that everyone will be pleased to know that none were sold. Would you now please remove us from the 1st line of your post. |
Done...
I am glad you no longer want to be associated with this product.
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gsb, IMO you've done quite well out of this thread and whether one thinks the OP jumped the gun is a matter of judgement. You made the conscious decision to stock and advertise the product so you're not quite the innocent victim. I hope you'll be giving robust feedback to the supplier as to why reputable ski shops don't consider it a viable product because the longer he's around the more chance it will be sold and used for purposes for which it isn't advertised (as was his original intent).
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Pieps Freeride at £75 - where please?
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Depends what you mean by inexperienced I suppose. Our 5 year old wears one (Pieps Freeride) due to it's tiny size and has no problem using it in the Tignes transceiver training park on a regular basis or with the other kids out here.
On piste avalanches are a fairly regular occurrence in our part of Tignes.
Only asked as other local parents with younger kids like that product.
(If you register as a new user on Blue Tomato, you can get €10 off.)
(With the free harness, also fits the dog.)
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Haggis_Trap, congratulations on helping to limit the distribution of this questionable product, also not getting drawn into a pointless argument about politeness (better than grammar) with the paper hat trying to start it and divert attention from the important issue of the ethics of such a product.
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| meh wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith, avalanches don't work in such a manner that avi cords are effective. This has been known for decades. |
Do you have any evidence to support that? An avalanche is generally a rolling churning mass of snow, in which a cord/tape may or may not be on the surface. A section of it might be found on top of the snow or slightly below. It'll certainly be somewhere - it might just be highly visible in an avalanche debris field.
I'm not denying that avalanche cords haven't been sold much in recent times, though powder cords - an identical concept to find lost skis - are available.
Using an avalanche cord in addition to transceiver might help a person find you, especially if they're untrained or have no transceiver to search with.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| DT68 wrote: |
In the meantime, I am looking forward to the campaign to prevent all small children and anyone who does not have a certificate of competence in the use of a transceiver from skiing off-piste on the grounds of the immorality of people skiing off-piste if they are not able to help others. Double-standards would never do ...  |
You are right if you can't operate a tranceiver and rescue/be-rescued you don't belong in avalanche terrain.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Fri 22-03-13 17:38; edited 2 times in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Spoke to the head buyer at Snow & Rock on the telephone.
Explained why this was a horrible product and the numerous reasons why.
S&R have read this thread, so are very aware of people thoughts and the negative feelings about this product.
In response they did claim it was "solely intended for use by kids on-piste".
They seemed genuinely unaware of it's history (originally it was marketted for off-piste use - see link below)
http://unofficialnetworks.com/snowbe-modifies-website-grilled-98920/
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You know it makes sense.
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UPDATE from S&R:
We’ve made the decision to pull this from the website and block it from sale across the company. All units will be returned to the warehouse on Monday. Thank you for your communication, it is greatly appreciated.
Good on S&R for also doing the right thing!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Haggis_Trap,
Well done to you and to both vendors for pulling the product.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Good for S+R too, maybe hope that this product will get killed after all.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Haggis_Trap, 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Does the thread title need amending now?
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| cad99uk wrote: |
| Does the thread title need amending now? |
Yup
Reputable ski stores quickly pull dangerous and inappropriate product - Cambridge Ski Safety wares are not wanted
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I do agree this is a pointless product because on shallow slopes near pistes where it might have had a role, it doesn't as there are unlikely to be avalanches and on slopes that are more at risk of avalanche if lots of people used these there'd be no one who could search, but I can't help the unwelcome feeling I'm getting that there's been a response to this product rather akin to a mass hysteria or even a lynching mob (possibly including people who've had a run-in with this company or its founder before) and that isn't really how I like to see things get sorted. Anyway, it's gone which is no bad thing.
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^ Normally I hate the trip-advisor mentality too.
However : The person behind this have been told several times in the last 2 years, by several online ski communities, (TGR, unofficial networks, snowheads etc) why this is a horrible product and it must have a search mode. Whoever is behind it still keeps coming back trying to promote their transmit only beacon.
The company has had several different names, www sites and contact details - "Snow-Be", "Cambridge Snow Safety" and others....
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Fri 22-03-13 18:16; edited 1 time in total
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slikedges, Problem is the guy's been told repeatedly by the wider global skiing (internet) community that this is a bad idea and he keeps resurfacing in a different guise. The only way to deal with it is keep shutting him down until he gets the message. After all he initially promised that he would only promote it as a training device alone. There is nothing new or innovative about his product - any established manufacturer could sell transmit only devices at a lower pricepoint becuase the clever stuff happens in signal processing, they don't because it's irresponsible.
There are plenty of other bad or pointless ski products from ski carrying devices to special lens cleaning fluid but few have such a potential to be actively dangerous when used not far outside what they are sold for, which is a purpose which relies solely on ill informed paranoia.
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Message back from S&R:
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| Hi Matt, we appreciate your concern and originally started stocking these aimed at kids as an extra safety precaution not as a replacement for full transceivers however taking into account recent feedback we've taken them off sale we we review with the suppler to see if they are in fact promoting them for all mountain use which we would be against. |
Good on them!
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| GJsophie wrote: |
| Might you want to strap one of these onto your dog? Dogs use different apparatus for searching |
If you do want a beacon for your dog, Pieps offer a unit that transmits on a different frequency to normal beacons, so no chance of digging up your dog rather than your mate, and no screwing up searches due to a rogue signal running around. I believe you can only pick it up with the Pieps 'proper' transciever though, but that you have to go through 'normal' search mode before you can switch to doggy frequency.
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clarky999, doggy style? Best you head to the bar!
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