| How will you respond to the threat of climate change |
| I will cease my self-centred winter sports activities immediately |
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| I will do my bit by taking one or more less trips per season than hitherto |
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| I'm not sure I believe the Jeremiahs, so I'll carry on as normal and hope for the best |
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| If the snow is on its way out, I'm going to book extra trips to enjoy it while I can |
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 Poster: A snowHead
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There has been plenty of discussion on climate change on other threads, and it has been noted that a large contribution to limiting its effects could result from lifestyle changes. So, will you limit your winter sporting activities in order to offset global warming and perhaps help the glaciers to survive for longer?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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No, I will not.
There are others, mor important things that we can limit before coming down to
ski.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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options missing.
- Climate change is probably happening, but I'll bury my head in the sand along with everyone else... 
- I'll save energy elsewhere, but not give up winter sports!
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Also,
I'll still ski, but not fly/drive there.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'll agree with skanky on that last one, but it won't really be practicle for non european destinations
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That's a daft question, wintersports includes rather more than lift served skiing. At the very least the option for walking/skinning up needs to be there.
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There must be a whole host of actions we could take that would have a greater impact on climate change than giving up winter sports 
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Timberwolf, I agree with you entirely!!
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Im sure more energy could be saved by reducing the amount of packaging on food and consumable goods which would have more of an impact on carbon imissions.
Winter sports may have some effect on the mountain environment but so to do summer hill walkers. The damage they cause to plant life is often greater because its during the plants growth stage that the damage occurs. So to stop all environmental damage you would have to make mountains no go areas.
I decided to stop tree hugging and kiss the snow instead.
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The planet is going to hell in a handcart anyway. Not going skiing is hardly going to make any difference and would just make us all more miserable. If we're going to be globally warmed to oblivion we might as well do it with a skiing grin on our faces while we still can 
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| Russell wrote: |
Im sure more energy could be saved by reducing the amount of packaging on food and consumable goods which would have more of an impact on carbon imissions.
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There would be even more of an impact if people would consider where many of the goods they buy are coming from. Local producers are being squeezed tightly by the purchasing power of the major supermarkets who'll think nothing of flying produce halfway around the world if they can sell it to customers for a couple of pence less.
The whole taxation system when it comes to fuel is riddled with contradictions. If I wanted to visit my parents in Glasgow it'd be cheaper to fly there and back than it would be to drive. Yet I'd use far less fuel (as an individual) driving than I would flying. I probably use far more fuel heating my house than I do driving yet the tax I pay on that is nothing compared to the tax I pay on petrol.
So while getting rid of the car or having one less skiing/boarding holiday a year might make you feel like you are doing something about the environment in actual fact it'll do very little. However if you have international agreement that aircraft fuel will be given the same sort of punative taxation that is put on to fuel for road vehicles then you make shipping fresh produce around the world uneconomic. Then supermarkets are forced to buy locally and thus you change the habits of 1000s of people, without most of them even realising.
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The question said climate change, not the very local effects of skiing. Why you single out skiing rather than any other holiday travel I don't know.
Air travel is the worst by far and I usually (though I confess not always) go to by train (or sometimes car). There is the added benifit (I have to confess it was my original reason) that travelling in a couchette overnight I get two extra days of skiing for the same number of nights in a hotel (and generally the same price as the same package by air). I don't know why many more people don't do it, just for that reason.
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snowball, Up until last season I always went by train (unless I went with several friends when we took the car) however the barstewards have stopped running the train to Switzerland via Brussels, now if I want to go by train, I have to go via Paris with the trip between city stations that this involves, and why was the train canceled ? apparently because the French decided to charge so much money for the use of the track that it was impossible to run a service economically, I've heard it was asking roughly double (or possibly more) what they charge for the SNCF train from Paris to Bourg St Maurice, which is actually further ! Protection racket anyone ?
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You know it makes sense.
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! Didn't know that. I haven't tried to go to Switzerland by train recently. Usually France.
(And I'm told the train to the US is rather tough too: all that seaweed in the bunks).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Some years ago I was ever so green, and so took the train to Gatwick, even though lugging all my ski kit from Kings X to Kings X Thames Link was a bind.
On return we landed late. Got to the Gatwick rail station at 9.30pm, and was told there was absolutely no chance of getting home, or anywhere near it, by train that night.
I am no longer so green, and always take the car to the airport.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Lager wrote: |
| Then supermarkets are forced to buy locally and thus you change the habits of 1000s of people, without most of them even realising. |
And - presumably - a lot of 3rd world farmers would starve?
[Edited to correct code 24 problem]
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20% off if you book the parking in advance.
You could be green again if you went by train!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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snowball, It actually used to be a really good journey, yhe train went from Brussels to Milan via Switzerland, so I used to get off at either Bern or Spiez and be in resort by 9.15am departing in the evening about 7.30pm, I was always amazed that the didn't get more publicity, the train ran every day of the week and was ok but the rolling stock needed to be updated, with a little effort on the part of the Swiss it could have been a better option than the Snowtrain with the option of going to one of several ski regions..... Ah well 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I´ll ski down any virgin powder & cheer up any responsible development.
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Welcome to snowHeads, Rob76
Any idea where the other 75 are?
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| snowball wrote: |
! Didn't know that. I haven't tried to go to Switzerland by train recently. Usually France.
(And I'm told the train to the US is rather tough too: all that seaweed in the bunks). |
Well, we could all learn again to "live slow" and sail through the pond...
I met an american once, many many years aqgo, when we were young,
he came to Europe by sea, spent two week skiing in the Dolomites and then toured the ancient cities.
Why shouldn't it still be possible todays?
edited, need more proofreading!!!!!!
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| Matteo wrote: |
| Why shouldn't it still be possiblenot todays? |
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'd get fired if I took the time to sail the Pond and then go skiing
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Yeah, there'll be less chance of icebergs. Or is it more?
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Nick Zotov, Ok , I may fault my limited english, how do you say "take a ship (motorized)" and cross the pond?
Anyway, if one takes only one holiday per year, then why not take a long one, cross the pond by sea and use the railways to reach, say, Colorado or Montana?
skanky, I guess more, if the current (Polar caps meltdown) trend is confirmed....
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Matteo, or less if the seas are warmer?
BTW I think Nick was just meaning the few of days it takes to sail across (you can use sail when it's motorised in general usage, but specialists might not like it), added on to the length of time for a skiing holiday, then sail back.
Incidentally, do you get jet-lag crossing the Atlantic by boat?
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| Nick Zotov wrote: |
| Lager wrote: |
| Then supermarkets are forced to buy locally and thus you change the habits of 1000s of people, without most of them even realising. |
And - presumably - a lot of 3rd world farmers would starve?
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That's a rather simplistic and melodramatic view isn't it. Most 3rd world farmers could make a decent living servicing their own local market. But one of the biggest fly in the ointments at the moment is the 1st world dumping it's own subsidised produce on the market. As well as taking more care of the environment other reforms would be needed. I mean the CAP and many American subsidies would have to go for a start.
It'll never happen though. It would be such a fundamental change to the world economy. At the moment the economy is built on the 1st world being able to exploit the disadvantaged 3rd world by getting it to produce goods as cheaply as possible then having them transported to where they are needed as cheaply as possible. It's not in the interests of the people at the top to change the status quo. You'd also have a difficult job convincing people that they really ought to be paying more for most of the things they buy.
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You know it makes sense.
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Matteo, I am sorry if you thought I was making fun of your English - I was just quoting you as I would any other snowhead.
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| BTW I think Nick was just meaning the few of days it takes to sail across (you can use sail when it's motorised in general usage, but specialists might not like it), added on to the length of time for a skiing holiday, then sail back.... |
Just what I was getting at.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Lager wrote: |
| ..That's a rather simplistic and melodramatic view isn't it. Most 3rd world farmers could make a decent living servicing their own local market. But one of the biggest fly in the ointments at the moment is the 1st world dumping it's own subsidised produce on the market. As well as taking more care of the environment other reforms would be needed. I mean the CAP and many American subsidies would have to go for a start.... |
Actually, we do buy some fair trade items. And I am sympathetic with the concept behind fair trade. At the same time, I do wonder if, when we support some specific farmers, we diadvantage others not in the system.
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What do the poll results tell us?
The government wants to cut greenhouse emissions by 60% by 2050. Personally, I don't see that that is feasible without major lifestyle changes; by which I mean ones that will hurt. I think this poll shows that people are not ready to accept that.
PG, excellent additional options. It's frustrating that at elections no one candidate espouses one's position exactly!
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I think I'm helping the environment by staying in the resort for the whole season and not travelling to and fro - that is the only reason I am doing it
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What's the point of saving the planet if you can't go skiing on it ?
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| Nick Zotov wrote: |
Matteo, I am sorry if you thought I was making fun of your English - I was just quoting you as I would any other snowhead.
| skanky wrote: |
| BTW I think Nick was just meaning the few of days it takes to sail across (you can use sail when it's motorised in general usage, but specialists might not like it), added on to the length of time for a skiing holiday, then sail back.... |
Just what I was getting at. |
Nick I wasn't thinkg that, at all, rest assured!
Besides, with 39ish days of (paid) vacation from work each year, it's not the time that I lack, it's the money!!!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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laundryman, have I missed something here? I have read through the whole thread (rather quickly I admit), but I can't see how going skiing has any influence on climate change. Please enlighten me.
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Jonpim, well supposedly going skiing has the following effects
All those people flying off to the mountains pump polution into the high atmosphere.
Ski lifts require power to opperate - more potential polution.
Man made snow often has adatives in that can defoliate the ground underneath it in the summer months.
Ski equipment, boots, boards etc plus specialist ski clothing all tend to make extensive use of man made materials and in particular plastics, double polution there with the manufacturing process and the dumping of old ski gear.
I'm sure there are more things I couldn't think of but those were the ones I came up with 
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What's the point of saving the planet if you can't go skiing on it ?
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D G Orf, thank you. I now see the thinking, but with a bit of creativity and using similar logic I reckon you could condemn anything we do.
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Jonpim, Yes pretty much, after all Humans are the most destructive species on the planet
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