 Poster: A snowHead
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Vetski, I do not think anyone needs to go off piste on day 5, that is just silly.
But I do know a quite a few skiers who are very competent on nice groomed pistes and do very neat turns etc.and look good but they run a mile at the sight of a moguled black and would not attempt skiing at the side of the piste. likewise I know intermediate skiers who like more varied skiing but are not as technically good on piste. Of the two examples i consider the latter as being the better skier
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Kramer wrote: |
| stanton, achilles is actually quite an experienced and ballsy off piste skier. |
It doesnt come across that way i.e Knackered, falling ?
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| stewart woodward wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| stanton wrote: |
As I said on another thread,
Piste Skiing makes for technically bad skiers |
Rubbish! |
So Bode Miller, Beni Riche etc etc are technically bad skiers  |
NO
They are not recreational skiers.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| stanton wrote: |
| Kramer wrote: |
| stanton, achilles is actually quite an experienced and ballsy off piste skier. |
It doesnt come across that way i.e Knackered, falling ? |
Wanna meet up? I'm in town. Must admit I do not keep as fit as I would like to. Having to assist a disabled member of the family and work rather restricts windows of opportunity during the day. One of the points of the opening post was that, somehow, I have to regain fitness. Where did you go to charm school?
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rayscoops, agreed it would be silly. So one does need to spend some time developing technique on piste, then. Glad we're agreed about that. And it is possible to be technically good on piste. Good to know. And your idea of a good skier is someone who'll go anywhere, no matter how they do it. Interesting.
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| rayscoops wrote: |
I think Stanton is simply pointing out that off piste skiing needs many techniques and on piste skiing does not provide that, so technically it does not prepare you for many situations, it provides a singular technique and therefore a bad technique for all round skiing in all conditions and less piste bashing may result in better 'all round' skiers
Touting the names of the best skiers in the world does not really add or detract from his comments as these guys can ski anything
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Thankyou , that is precisely what I mean & if you calculate the numbers of people who go on ski vacations to groomed piste resorts then the actual number of skiers who only have one skiing skill is immense. This also leads onto the many Speed & Accident threads on this Forum.
Ski resorts over the years have been trying to make it easier & easier for customers (Corduroy slopes every morning) to ski , this IMO is only a greedy commercial move & does not advance anyones skiing ability without investing in Ski Schools, Guides blah blah blah.
If they kept the the hill de-sanitised, you would learn yourself ( quickly).
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Hurtle, thanks for the heads-up, I have dropped a line there.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| stanton wrote: |
| Kramer wrote: |
| stanton, achilles is actually quite an experienced and ballsy off piste skier. |
It doesnt come across that way i.e Knackered, falling ? |
I don't know how old you are, but he's almost twice my age, and skis everything that I do, and enjoys it. You'll never hear a word of complaint coming from him, which is more than I can say for myself.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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achilles, my pleasure. Bottom line, from what you posted, is as I said on your other 'Shall I go?' thread (which developed quite interestingly, if you haven't seen it): the risk is finding oneself in a group that's too good (which was my problem) or not good enough (more likely to be your problem.) I too am unlikely to book another Freshtracks hol, but instead may do some Snoworks weeks or similar and, rather belatedly - to put it mildly! - learn how to ski. Alternatively, I shall come to terms with the fact that it really is too late and continue bimbling - to use another lovely word of yours - around the pistes with my mates. Where's that shoulder-shrugging smiley?
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FenlandSkier, vetski, rob@rar, Hurtle, I count myself in that group as well.
The FEAR is your biggest enemy off piste, not technique, IMO.
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You know it makes sense.
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Ski resorts over the years have been trying to make it easier & easier for customers (Corduroy slopes every morning) to ski , this IMO is only a greedy commercial move & does not advance anyones skiing ability without investing in Ski Schools, Guides blah blah blah.
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Cross the pond!
It may be true the resorts in the Alps are "dumbing down" the terrain for skiing peeps, Ski resorts in N. America has for the past decade added more and more challenging off-piste areas while doing better and better job at grooming the pistes. Nowadays, any resort worth their powder in the US/Canada has extensive "glade areas" (trees!) in addition to the usual "bowls", "chutes" and moguls!
Don't just complain about what the ski resorts (in Europe) are doing. Do something about it! If the NA skiers can push the resorts into providing more diverse terrain, so can British & European skiers.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| abc wrote: |
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Ski resorts over the years have been trying to make it easier & easier for customers (Corduroy slopes every morning) to ski , this IMO is only a greedy commercial move & does not advance anyones skiing ability without investing in Ski Schools, Guides blah blah blah.
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Cross the pond!
It may be true the resorts in the Alps are "dumbing down" the terrain for skiing peeps, Ski resorts in N. America has for the past decade added more and more challenging off-piste areas while doing better and better job at grooming the pistes. Nowadays, any resort worth their powder in the US/Canada has extensive "glade areas" (trees!) in addition to the usual "bowls", "chutes" and moguls!
Don't just complain about what the ski resorts (in Europe) are doing. Do something about it! If the NA skiers can push the resorts into providing more diverse terrain, so can British & European skiers. |
Just spent a month over there 
Trees in Europe? Tree line/glade skiing is becoming extinct here, we have lost most of ours to acid rain!
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Poster: A snowHead
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achilles,
Does the Arlberg Ski School provide guides or ski instructors for 80€ / day?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| vetski wrote: |
| rayscoops, agreed it would be silly. So one does need to spend some time developing technique on piste, then. Glad we're agreed about that. And it is possible to be technically good on piste. Good to know. And your idea of a good skier is someone who'll go anywhere, no matter how they do it. Interesting. |
No that is not my idea of a good skier, I am sinply pointing out that an intermediate who can ski on and off piste to that standard is better in my view than someone who can ski pistes at a better standard but is clueless when it gets 'interesting'. I know which of the two I would want to be on the mountain with. We seem to be in general agreement though
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Kramer wrote: |
| stanton wrote: |
| Kramer wrote: |
| stanton, achilles is actually quite an experienced and ballsy off piste skier. |
It doesnt come across that way i.e Knackered, falling ? |
I don't know how old you are, but he's almost twice my age, and skis everything that I do, and enjoys it. You'll never hear a word of complaint coming from him, which is more than I can say for myself. |
Kramer, you can see from the big grin on achilles face that he really enjoys his skiing. Good on him for writing such a great account of his day, warts and all.
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DB,ski instructor on my day.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Achilles - did you need a snorkel where you are? - sounds like you did not need to pack one by the skiing you are doing.
Luckily no snorkel needed in Cham either, although the tumbles I had in the pow it might have come in useful.
I have never done an 'organised' day like the one you describe - I am probably not good enough to keep up and prefer to keep my face plants private 
As always we have drifted off topic, enjoy the rest of your skiing
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FAQ
me waving as well.
Going to make the most of it - plan is to wind up with all the groups at the Krazy Kangaruh 
