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Off to the Stubai Glacier on 27th April - do I leave the winters on, or change to summer before I go?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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RobinS, If you are taking the car on the glacier then I would definitely leave them on.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Legal requiremenet from 1 November to 15 April in Austria in snowy conditions so not a necessity but I've had snow on glaciers in June so personally I will be leaving my winter tires on until May just in case.
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It's like 25C here at the moment (about an hour away), I really think you'll be fine. Plus do you really want to drive from England with winter tires.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| do you really want to drive from England with winter tires. |
There won't be much left of them by the end of a drive out from the UK unless there is a sudden (very) cold snap.
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I left my winters on all year very little noticeable difference, I guess the better quality pays off....
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Actually, decent winter tyres can be used year round.
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dulcamara wrote:
do you really want to drive from England with winter tires.
There won't be much left of them by the end of a drive out from the UK unless there is a sudden (very) cold snap.
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Really? How quickly do you think they wear?
Although the advice to change to summer tyres I would accept.
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I would leave them on, I have had snow down to the Tux valley in June on each of the times I have been to Hintertux.
I haven't noticed even cheap ones wearing down particularly quickly during the summer but will probably swap mine over next week.
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Tire wear is a wierd one, I did the England-Austria slog about 5 times on a set of super cheap snow-mud tires, pretty loud but no degradation at all, one summer on middle grade winter tires and they were not looking so happy.
generally the locals are pretty good at clearing roads round here, sure summer tires will be fine,
just noticed a predicted (admittedly by the ever optimistic bergfex website) 50 cm of snow over the next 2 days on the glacier. you may be in for a treat
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| beequin wrote: |
| Really? How quickly do you think they wear? |
I leave mine on the 4x4 all year round and I get around 30k miles per set, just like I would with summer tyres. They do wear slightly more easily but then they start off with more tread. Vredestein Wintrac 4xtreme is the way to go in my experience.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I leave mine on the 4x4 all year round and I get around 30k miles per set, just like I would with summer tyres.
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My experience too, even with Marangoni, hence the question. (Meteo HP)
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Thu 18-04-13 12:40; edited 1 time in total
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even with Marangoni
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don't like getting pasta on my wheels.
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You know it makes sense.
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Whe I was looking into getting winter tyres I was told that they would be noisy and less precise while cornering (in none icy conditions!)
What are yourexperiences of this?
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There is a little more road noise, perhaps 10-15% cf Michelin Primacy HP. Not noticed any particular performance issues, nor do tests indicate a lot of problems.
I would add that the year I left the winters on for the summer was one where money for replacements was tight and the old sumer tyres had reached the end of their legal life. I do intend to change the tyres over this weekend now that Spring has arrived.
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Poster: A snowHead
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No wear, noise or cornering problems with my winter typres. I just find that they are less stable at high speed than my wider summer tyres
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mine make no difference in noise, handle just as well, and are more comfortable (although this may be because they have a higher sidewall profile - on 16" rather than 17" wheels). I don't think they wear much faster than "ordinary" tyres. Oh and of course the "smug factor" in actually being able to go places in snow is worth every penny. Any day now I will be switching back to the summer ones.
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I run my Nokian winter tyres winter and summer for the last 18 months as I was selling the car apart from being slightly noisier I noticed no difference other than better grip in the wet.
I also have a question. My new passat has 18 inch wheels. I'll be getting some steel wheels and winter tyres, the question is what size 16, 17 or 18? and how do you tell what's ok plus will it affect the speedo etc?
What happened to Tyremen, and did we ever get that discount code?
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| beequin wrote: |
There is a little more road noise, perhaps 10-15% cf Michelin Primacy HP. Not noticed any particular performance issues, nor do tests indicate a lot of problems.
I would add that the year I left the winters on for the summer was one where money for replacements was tight and the old sumer tyres had reached the end of their legal life. I do intend to change the tyres over this weekend now that Spring has arrived. |
I'm sure it will have been posted somewhere on here before but I thought this article http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Winter-Tyres-Real-World-Experiences.htm was really interesting. The writer found - as did I - that the winter tyres were actually quieter than the summer ones (I'm comparing Goodyear Eagle F1 asymetrics with Goodyear UltraGrip 8's). But his description of the winter tyres' wear rates and lack of grip on warm dry roads was disturbing - I'll stick to swapping them over, I think
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| jbob wrote: |
I run my Nokian winter tyres winter and summer for the last 18 months as I was selling the car apart from being slightly noisier I noticed no difference other than better grip in the wet.
I also have a question. My new passat has 18 inch wheels. I'll be getting some steel wheels and winter tyres, the question is what size 16, 17 or 18? and how do you tell what's ok plus will it affect the speedo etc?
What happened to Tyremen, and did we ever get that discount code? |
If you buy smaller wheels, make sure they fit over the brake calipers  , that they are capable of taking the required load and (the difficult bit) that the offset is right for your car.
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I'll be getting some steel wheels and winter tyres, the question is what size 16, 17 or 18? and how do you tell what's ok plus will it affect the speedo etc?
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Check on clearance for chains, but I have always stuck with keeping the same tyre size. You should also check this with your insurer, as a change of tyre size (or rating) could be a modification.
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| jbob wrote: |
My new passat has 18 inch wheels. I'll be getting some steel wheels and winter tyres, the question is what size 16, 17 or 18? and how do you tell what's ok plus will it affect the speedo etc?
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Look in the manual for what the recommended winter wheel/tyre sizes are. Then *check* that that size will actually fit over your brakes - it's not just diameter you need to worry about but depth as well.
The views of various insurers on winter tyres and whether you need to inform them is documented here:
http://www.abi.org.uk/Information/Consumers/General/Winter_Tyres__The_Motor_Insurance_Committment.aspx
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| do you really want to drive from England with winter tires. |
There won't be much left of them by the end of a drive out from the UK unless there is a sudden (very) cold snap. |
Mine went to Dordogne pulling a caravan in 30+c and were fine, very little wear. Like others here I leave them on all year round.
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Thanks all, my Insurer is one of the ones that does not need to be notified. I have not needed chains in 8 seasons in the Alpes,a combo of 4x4 and winter tyres has always been fine although I did carry them around for a couple of winters! Looking in the manual is a no brainier, doh!
I have found a table of sizes
"A 195/65/R15, 205/55/R16, 225/45/R17 and 225/40/R18 all have the same outer diameter...the sidewall height is different."
Which mostly answers my question, just need to check clearances and make sure the rims are deep enought.
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Yup still using them for a 130 mile commute no problems, no heavier wear. (Pirelli's).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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jbob, If you can get them down to the 195/65/R15 size you can get those fairly cheap. I put Yokahamas on a couple of our cars and they performed very well. They are classed as a premium brand but are cheaper than some budget ones, and yes they are made in Japan and no they do not glow in the dark  You can get that size in 91T rating for £180 for four delivered from tyretraders.
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