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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dabber, I clicked but got a link to a book. Not enough info.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sorry , it a kindle book by a US journalist about an avalanche last year involving a large group of experienced backcountry skiers , it's quite thought provoking in the way it covers the decision making and the consequences .
It's only £1:91 , so money well spent I thought, here's a preview
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2012/snow-fall/#/?part=tunnel-creek
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Sun 24-03-13 23:12; edited 1 time in total
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Dabber, thank you
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Dabber, thank you. A terrifying (and sobering) read, vividly illustrating the dangers of group-think and complacency even in a really experienced group. My eyes nearly popped out when I saw the video of one of the survivors fishing his transceiver out of his rucksack.
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| DT68 wrote: |
| one of the survivors fishing his transceiver out of his rucksack. |
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Many backpacks are designed with a special transceiver pocket, I questioned it on first sight but would it really take any longer than removing said backpack and unzipping a coat to access it? If anything it's quicker as you also have access to probe and shovel in the same gesture.
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albinomountainbadger, they do? Can you name one pack with a transceiver pocket?
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albinomountainbadger, the problem with having a transceiver in the rucksack is the potential for the rucksack to be ripped offf the body during an avalanche - as happened (read on) to one of those who did not survive (but who was obviously wearing his). In short, putting it in the rucksack creates the potential for the transceiver to be dislocated from its owner.
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| DT68 wrote: |
| albinomountainbadger, the problem with having a transceiver in the rucksack is the potential for the rucksack to be ripped offf the body during an avalanche - as happened (read on) to one of those who did not survive (but who was obviously wearing his). In short, putting it in the rucksack creates the potential for the transceiver to be dislocated from its owner. |
I agree. Personally I would prefer to keep it on my body, but as with helmets there seems to be two (at least) schools of thought.
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albinomountainbadger, I have never come across the second school of thought. Every guide I have ever skied with has always stressed the need for it to be strapped to the body.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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albinomountainbadger, how odd. Any giide I've skied with (and almost anyone else using a beep) maintains that it should be worn under the lowest layer that you are going to remove while skiing (on the climb) so that while layering/de-layering you don't have to remove it.
Likewise, rucksacks can be forcibly removed, or indeed taken off to get skins in/out... Witness the poor fellows earlier in the year who died in E.K. whose ABS packs were recovered at some distance, presumably they were putting skins away when the slip happened.
The Millet pack looks pretty nice otherwise 
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albinomountainbadger, how odd. Any giide I've skied with (and almost anyone else using a beep) maintains that it should be worn under the lowest layer that you are going to remove while skiing (on the climb) so that while layering/de-layering you don't have to remove it.
Likewise, rucksacks can be forcibly removed, or indeed taken off to get skins in/out... Witness the poor fellows earlier in the year who died in E.K. whose ABS packs were recovered at some distance, presumably they were putting skins away when the slip happened.
The Millet pack looks pretty nice otherwise
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You know it makes sense.
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albinomountainbadger, how odd. Any giide I've skied with (and almost anyone else using a beep) maintains that it should be worn under the lowest layer that you are going to remove while skiing (on the climb) so that while layering/de-layering you don't have to remove it.
Likewise, rucksacks can be forcibly removed, or indeed taken off to get skins in/out... Witness the poor fellows earlier in the year who died in E.K. whose ABS packs were recovered at some distance, presumably they were putting skins away when the slip happened.
The Millet pack looks pretty nice otherwise
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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albinomountainbadger, under a new name, perhaps we should ask Haggis_Trap to launch a campaign aimed at securing (1) the withdrawal of the Millet pack and (2) forty Hail Marys from anyone who has stocked it? 
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Poster: A snowHead
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albinomountainbadger, bizarre. I've seen peoples packs come off in rough falls let alone an avalanche plus the above point about taking them off all the time. Other than wearing it on a harness the only other thing I've seen that makes sense is putting it in a trouser/bib pocket that has a secure closure and some sort of lanyard to attach it too.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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under a new name, if wearing the thing under the lowest layer surely it will take longer to get to, and be harder to use, when you need to find other people?
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| albinomountainbadger wrote: |
| under a new name, if wearing the thing under the lowest layer surely it will take longer to get to, and be harder to use, when you need to find other people? |
It's not that hard to get to it, usually you just unzip your outer layers and pull up your sweater. The priority for you, the wearer, is that it's secure. Ease of access is, I'm afraid, secondary. That said, keeping it in a pocket also works, so long as the garment isn't something you will be taking off during the day. For touring people tend to put it in a trouser pocket because jackets get put on and taken off during the day, depending on the level of effort / temperature.
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