 Poster: A snowHead
|
|
maybe straying into the area of over training?? kids need to be kids!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
|
He doesn't really think of it as training though - just as playing football, tennis, etc. If anything we have often have to persuade him to do less than he'd choose. It's a bit like living with a labrador puppy in the house - you'll know when he's been cooped up inside for too long!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
Okanagan, that sounds great! He's got to be athletic - how could he not be!
The idea behind athletic development is that there are specific stages where it is more appropriate to develop certain skills. As a young (pre-puberty athlete) the greater your movement vocabulary the better. Sports that encourage movement across all three planes of motion are particularly useful (and very relevant to snowsports). Judo, trampolining and gymnastics are good examples of sports that encourage multiplanar movement. There's plenty more and none are right or wrong when it comes to so-called 'cross-training'.
But the important point about these sports is that they help develop athletic capacity for later in life - but only if done pre-puberty. Afterwards they're still important but by then, you're always playing catch up. Those that have these ABC skills (agility, balance, coordination) in abundance are better placed to push further when they hit puberty and can start to develop their 'engine' (cardio vascular system and strength).
But physical development is a basic requirement anyway. You have to be athletic if you want to be an athlete. There's not many chubby, unathletic champions out there.
Add to this how the sport has changed over the past few years - courses are now much turnier and tighter at elite level - the shape of the best athletes has changed, they're skinny and athletic (Hirscher, Ligety).
Perhaps what grates with BSS's statements is that they're not quite correct. They kind of are - but they're aimed at the wrong audience. BSS doesn't deal with pre-puberty athletes - it deals with elite or wanna-be elite. Physical competence or developing physical literacy is a primary school issue - flagged up with the whole school PE issues. There's quite a lot of info out there - if you're interested in some reading - try
http://www.movementdynamics.com/ Kelvin Giles knows his stuff.
If the point of this is to highlight physical deficiencies in our teenage athletes - then saying they should join the local judo club, gymnastics or get a trampoline is in itself not much help - as by this time they've either got it or they don't. If they don't, they're going to struggle. If they do, they're probably already winning.
Don't forget training time and exposure to the sport though - you need to ski to get better at skiing. Simples.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
| herminator wrote: |
| Don't forget training time and exposure to the sport though - you need to ski to get better at skiing. Simples. |
It's that which grates about the "All mountain skiing and play in snow can be replaced by trampoline, gymnastics and judo" comments. It doesn't necessarily follow that if you are a fantastic gymnast or trampolinist you'll also be a great skier. For a start it's outdoors, in a changing environment where angle, surface, visibility, etc all change - very different to the consistent controlled environment of gymnastics or judo.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
Okanagan,
Try not to let that sentence irk you so much. Yes, he did write it but, in the immediate context of the previous and subsequent sentences in his letter, it is clear that he means using cross training to take the place of the all mountain skiing & play that british skiers miss by not living in the alps. His point is that without this early physical development british based skiers will always struggle.
Given what your own lad is doing you proabably agree with him.
I think the interesting thing is going to be introducing "non skiing" criteria to the TiD process - are we going to see skiers with inferior race results "spotted" because of alledgedly superior athletic potential. The implication is that we might which will certainly increase the angst levels even further.
I offer no views on whether this is a good thing.
As I said lets ask him in Meribel.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
meribel will be most interesting, just wish i was going to be there for "the meeting" but i am sure i will hear the outcome
biggest problem is that a lot of the theories being banded about have come form an athletics coach (can't remember his name, but i am sure someoen will remind me) but from what i hear most, if not all the information has been discredited and the said coach is no longer involved with athletics... go figure 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Okanagan, I'd say your kid is enjoying all of his sports and probably getting a great deal of benefit whilst having fun which is just what all of the kids should be doing.
CEM, I hear the same. It will be interesting to see the 'meetings' in Meribel.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Philbo, do report back post Meribel...
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
|
Interesting watching a few groups of British kids today skiing fresh but heavy powder prior to competing in a race in Les Houches. Perhaps more free skiing isn't a bad idea.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| AndAnotherThing.. wrote: |
| Interesting watching a few groups of British kids today skiing fresh but heavy powder prior to competing in a race in Les Houches. Perhaps more free skiing isn't a bad idea. |
thats what the coaches are saying and is being met with replace it with judo and trampoline
let them ski, get rid of the gates in every session,
having just spent a day working with GB Start Rowers at Tee's rowing club the attitude and outcomes are so different from most of the ski world, athletes are give a task and they do it and work hard at it, till they drop, most of the ski racers in this country (there are a few exceptions) wouldn't last 5 minutes against these guys in fitness
anyway back on track...how about an open letter from the coaches to the performance director (not that it would achieve much, if it even got read)
|
|
|
|
|
|
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
|
| AndAnotherThing.. wrote: |
| Interesting watching a few groups of British kids today skiing fresh but heavy powder prior to competing in a race in Les Houches. Perhaps more free skiing isn't a bad idea. |
Interesting in a good way, or a bad way?
BTW, my son is competing, but prefers skiing powder 
|
|
|
|
|
|
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
|
Patch, They didn't look as comfortable as I'd have expected and didn't appear to be able to have a range of technique to apply to what was under foot.
Of course I have no idea who they were or what training regime they were involved with, or even if they regularly train in snow so the 2 or 3 groups I saw may not be representative.
Interesting snapshot though.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
AndAnotherThing.., That doesn't surprise me. Even here in Méribel, the local racing kids often don't seem completely at ease in deep snow. When my youngest was at the BSA, he certainly was not one of the stronger racers, but shone on the powder days.
I was going to try to get to Les Houches tomorrow, but the weather here is looking a bit grim. What are the roads like there at the moment?
|
|
|
|
|
|
You know it makes sense.
|
|
Patch, They were ok this afternoon but snowing now. This morning they were a bit slick in Les Houches early on. Not terrible though.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
|
|
AndAnotherThing.., thanks, I'll get up early and make a decision in the morning .... it's dumping here at the moment
|
|
|
|
|
|
Poster: A snowHead
|
|
AndAnotherThing.., Patch, Just stopped snowing between Les Houches and Chamonix. I'll be on the GS hill again tomorrow in Les Houches.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
|
Philbo, Thanks, but we are not going to get there today ... maybe see you at the Scottish and the Brits
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
|
The GB Children's Team Head Coach is leaving BSS at the end of the season.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
|
It's a bit irrelevant as we are pretty rubbish at competitive Alpine skiing and barring a fluke result will never get into the medals. So, it probably is right that it comes across as an amateur club update.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
|
I apologise and take it back. Is he looking like a good medal candidate at the winter Olympics??
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Quote: |
barring a fluke result will never get into the medals.
|
You seen this in your crystal ballemwmarine?
These things do take time with the right management. Unfortunately, it is not believed by many that we have the right management or direction at the moment.
| Quote: |
The GB Children's Team Head Coach is leaving BSS at the end of the season.
|
Not surprising
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
[quote="Philbo"]
| Quote: |
You seen this in your crystal ballemwmarine?
These things do take time with the right management. Unfortunately, it is not believed by many that we have the right management or direction at the moment.
|
First to admit I don't know a huge amount about ski racing but just looking at our track record over the last 30 years or so means I would be surprised but delighted to see success coming along.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
|
|
|
|
|
OK then. Educate me into how we are emerging as a major force in alpine skiing?
Just looking at the medal table for the winter Olympics for Alpine skiing suggests that we haven't won any medals at all. Yet 25 countries have including Luxembourg and Liechtenstein.
So looking from the outside, with little expert knowledge, if measured how other sports are measured then, historically speaking, we are pretty rubbish.
Nation 24 28 32 36 48 52 56 60 64 68 72 76 80 84 88 92 94 98 02 06 10 Total
Australia (AUS) – – – – – – – – – – – – – 1 – – – 1
Austria (AUT) – 6 7 9 5 7 5 4 2 4 1 6 8 3 11 9 14 4 105
Canada (CAN) – – – 1 1 – 2 – 1 1 – 2 1 1 – – – – 10
Croatia (CRO) – – – 4 3 2 9
Czechoslovakia (TCH) – – – – – – – – – – 1 – – 1
Czech Republic (CZE) – – – – 1 1
Finland (FIN) – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – 1 – 1
France (FRA) 1 5 – – 3 6 8 2 – 1 3 2 3 – 2 4 2 – 43
Unified Team of Germany (EUA) 1 3 1 – 5
Germany (GER) 4 4 1 4 6 1 – 3 23
Italy (ITA) – – 1 – 1 – – 3 4 – 1 2 5 4 2 3 – – 27
Japan (JPN) – – – 1 – – – – – – – – – – – – – – 1
Liechtenstein (LIE) – – – – – – – 2 4 2 1 – – – – – – 9
Luxembourg (LUX) – – 2 – – – – 2
New Zealand (NZL) – – – – – – – – 1 – – – – – 1
Norway (NOR) 1 – 3 – – – – – – – – – 4 5 4 4 1 4 26
Russia (RUS) 1 – – – – 1
Slovenia (SLO) – 3 – – – 2 5
Soviet Union (URS) 1 – – – – – – – – – 1
Spain (ESP) – – – – – – – 1 – – – – 1 – – – – – 2
Sweden (SWE) – – – 1 – – – – 1 2 – 1 1 1 1 2 4 2 16
Switzerland (SUI) – 6 – 4 2 – 3 6 3 3 4 11 1 4 2 1 3 3 56
United States (USA) – 2 2 – 2 4 – 2 – 1 5 – 2 4 1 2 2 8 39
West Germany (FRG) – – 3 2 – 4 – 9
Yugoslavia (YUG)
Are our fortunes about to change in the next couple of Olympics??
|
|
|
|
|
|
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
|
| emwmarine wrote: |
| ...Yet 25 countries have including Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. |
Well, yeah, one of the best the Austrian racers ever, Marc Giradelli, skied for Luxembourg and Liechtenstein is an alpine nation. Think you'll find that GBR did win a bronze in 2002 (just not according to the record books)
|
|
|
|
|
|
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
|
| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| emwmarine wrote: |
| ...Yet 25 countries have including Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. |
Well, yeah, one of the best the Austrian racers ever, Marc Giradelli, skied for Luxembourg and Liechtenstein is an alipne nation. Think you'll find that GBR did win a bronze in 2002 (just not according to the record books) |
OK, i'll take that one. I think Alain Baxter was treated disgracefully and the appeal should have taken account of the fact that the substance was not performance enhancing and exists in a Vicks inhaler.
Mind you, it was an extraordinary great awesome performance on the day. I remember watching it at the time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Quote: |
OK then. Educate me into how we are emerging as a major force in alpine skiing?
|
Perhaps have a look on the internet with the likes of Dave Ryding et al, we are moving forward in Alpine skiing, no thanks to the current performance director.
| Quote: |
So looking from the outside, with little expert knowledge
|
Rather than waste time on here, look at the other websites within British skiing - britski.org, BSS, SSE, SSW, SSS etc. to see stories of the emerging talent and the depth of talent that is coming through in British alpine racing. That's if it doesn't halt through lack of funding or the current regime at BSS.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You know it makes sense.
|
|
|
|
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
|
|
Does anyone know whether the dates of the Meribel meetings for Senior /Childrens week been finalised and posted yet? I guess they may be subject to weather conditions etc. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Poster: A snowHead
|
|
|
|
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
|
Gillian,
If you are in 3V's next week have you considered entering Robert in the Scara races in Val D (if he qualifies) ? Good races and lots of international enteries.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
|
CEM, Thanks... I thought I'd read somewhere that there would be 2 meetings ? One in first week and one in 2nd week?
stewart woodward, Hi There, well we will be in the 3V's next week for the simple reason that Robert has to compete at the British Championships as part of his contract being on a National team! I don't know anything about the Scara races but would imagine they will clash with the British champs. Do you have any other information or a link to it perhaps? Thanks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
|
|
|
|
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
|
stewart woodward, The Scara, as far as I'm aware cannot be entered by individuals from the UK (Unless they are part of a French club) or so we have been informed in the past. The GB childrens team has attended this on at least one occasion that I'm aware of.
The biggest problem is that they do usually clash with the British childrens champs.
Gillian, The meeting that I'm aware of is as follows (From BSS).
Barring changes in calendar and snow conditions we will be presenting the BSS pathway and evidence on the 2nd of April an hour before the race meeting about 4pm.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
|
|
|
|
|
|
stewart woodward, The meeting that I'm aware of is as follows (From BSS).
Barring changes in calendar and snow conditions we will be presenting the BSS pathway and evidence on the 2nd of April an hour before the race meeting about 4pm.
Do you want to come along?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Philbo wrote: |
stewart woodward,
Do you want to come along? |
If i can?
I am interested in the 'future' for a friends son. He is currently in the French ski academy but i am not sure the BSS system is for him.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
|
|
head over. At the moment with the current regime, I'd say stay with the French.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Philbo wrote: |
| head over. At the moment with the current regime, I'd say stay with the French. |
or the Italians, or maybe even the Jamaicans
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
