 Poster: A snowHead
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| tomstickland wrote: |
| A lot depends on the instructor. Spent last week in a group of 12 (11 French and a French ESF instructor) on full time instruction. Found it very useful. There wasn't actually much instruction, but since he said "you are skiing well" on the first day then I guessed that there wasn't much that needed correcting. As said above, a lot of it was about watching and copying the instructor. |
This sounds terrible & would probably lead to me jacking in on day 1. I'm a great believer in learning by doing and know that at higher levels there can be great value in a forced pace, learn on the fly, adapt to unfamiliar terrain type approach but if I pay for a lesson that isn't explicitly on that "camp" type basis I expect to have relevant critiques made of my skiing and some non-generic pointers as to things to work on. Skiing "well" is almost a meaningless platitude, a bit like the American "that was awesome".
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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'Bend ze knees'
- that'll be £25, please.
fatbob,
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"that was awesome".
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- when was the last time you heard that??
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| RattytheSnowRat wrote: |
fatbob,
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"that was awesome".
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- when was the last time you heard that?? |
Depends on the context - Instructor talking to groups of kids multiple times a day. Talking to me, only in the context of a major chin plant and faceplough.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I had some friends come to stay who had done a couple of weeks in Marrileva. I asked them if they wanted me to fix up lessons for them - and tried politely to suggest it would be a good idea. They declined, on the basis that their instructor in Italy had said "There's nothing else I can teach you". 
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| tomstickland wrote: |
| A lot depends on the instructor. Spent last week in a group of 12 (11 French and a French ESF instructor) on full time instruction. Found it very useful. There wasn't actually much instruction, but since he said "you are skiing well" on the first day then I guessed that there wasn't much that needed correcting. As said above, a lot of it was about watching and copying the instructor. |
Post a video of your skiing.
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| alti - dude wrote: |
The OP seems to be 'outraged' by the experience but I would have thought the reaction should be more 'disappointed'.
Did they speak English - yes. No suggestion that it was an English only class.
Was it a ski 'school' - yes. Classes in UK schools of 13 is to dream for!
I can sympathise with the disappointment but it doesn't sound like a complete failure. |
Interesting point of view.
Personally for me, disappointment leads to outrage when you speak to the Director of the business and air your "concerns / experiences" and the guy couldn't care less.
Adie and Ronald > I completely agree, I started off the polite British way but quickly realised I wasn't getting anywhere. By the time I actually got to speak to the Director, i would say I did a much better job of properley kicking off. He just couldn't care less, so much for the customer is always right.
I asked for a refund for the last two days, with my point being that I had been sent on a 3 day course and not a 5 day course.
The real issue for anyone that might be thinking of booking with ESF, is that, ESF do not run courses, they run individual "sessions". You might learn something with a good instructor, but there is no progression through the week, they won't tell you the level you were when you started and what you have improved on. This is something that the European Ski School did well.
Does anyone know how the structure of ESF works, are the schools franchises?
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ESF are not even really franchises. They are essentially collectives of individual instructors.
Instructors are paid on a strict seniority basis. You can interpret this as meaning that it pays you to just hang around. If you are a good, young instructor, it pays you to go work somewhere else...
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