 Poster: A snowHead
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Hornster I know. The exercises you list aren't wrong per se, and clearly your physio thought they were appropriate in helping your rehab. But I'm interested in where the knee-specifity (and more importantly the ski-specifity) lies. Any physios/GPs/physicians out there willing to have a punt at answering this?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Manda, I was told that the quads and hamstrings support the knee and that if the muscles are strong it takes a lot of the strain from the knee. The ligaments give the knee stability but so do these the muscles. All the strength come from the strength of the muscles
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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b]Manda[/b], I can give you a lesson in the mechanics of the human musculoskeletal system if you want that will prove that by keeping the quads, hamstring, calves, ligaments and tendons strong and flexible will in fact result in much stronger knees. In fact, it isn't the knee that gets strong, but rather the muscles, ligaments, tendons that run through the knee joint that reduce the risk of injury if kept in optimum condition.
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Hornster, don't doubt ya, am just looking (to belabour the point) for the underlying science. I mean, what's the point of a specific training exercise if it's not achieving the aim? Agreed leg exercises have some degree of positive effect on the knees (in the sence you've pointed out, i.e. the muscles and ligaments stablise the knee joint as it moves).
What I'm getting at is that all the exercises you mentioned are just, if not more, relevant vital to my rowing training (and in fact I consider the 90degree squatting IS relevant to rowing bearing in mind the relative knee/bum position during the compression part of a stroke).
But rowing's not skiing. And rowing's not even about the knees to the same degree they are in skiing.
You get my drift?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Manda, The orginal poster asked specifically about exercises to strengthn his knees. I didn't read anything about exercises specific to skiing, if there are any when it comes to knee strength given that a strong knee is a strong knee no matter what sport someone does. I know of rugby players that do exactly them same exercises to prevent knee injury as skiers, mountaineers and athletes in general.
However, if the original poster wanted to know about exercises to help his skiing, then that would have been altogether a different story and nothing to do with knee strength.
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I have had two ACl recons on the same knee (football both times) and have recovered from both. Gave up football, but have contiuned with sking. It was impressed on me throughout my rehabs that the knee gets its support from the quads and hamstrings, in fact if these are really developed then you can get away with not having an ACL at all, but i suspect that is true only for the very fittest of people and would require constant strength work to maintain.
I'm interested too know why / how quite a number of skiers have damaged ACL's this summer. They must all be doing something wrong fopr this to happen. Is there a pattern, are ther more this year than last?
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With reference to the original post I would of thought that there are two slightly different problems.
1) Last minute exercises which if done with poor form may cause injury that could be aggravated by skiing (I have a bad back possibly partly as a result of this)
2) A long term exeercise programme that is not well designed and results in muscle imbalance. I would guess it takes a while for such imbalances to develop and they would not develop as a result of a last minute programme. Whether they could result in knee injury I have not the fiantest idea though.
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Hornster, not trying to wind you up, never have been, but I think you misread the first poster, PG, who wrote:
"My question to the experts would be whether the more vulnerable areas - such as the knees - shouldn't be given special attention in a training regime before setting off on that ski break."
BTW it's common for threads on this site to go "off-topic". It happens. Sometimes the thread fizzles out and on rare occassions it's even been known to return to the original topic! 
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