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| bambi wrote: |
The recommended edge angles from Movement for the Source are 1 & 1
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Recommended or manufacturers setting? Bit of a difference...
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A base-edge angle of 1 degree will help prevent the edge catching, but will also result in an ever so slightly slower edge engagement... The more acute the side angle becomes, the edges certainly become sharper, but they also dull quicker.
It also depends on you, the skier. I'd suspect the skis come out the factory with a flat base edge and 90 degree side. Personally, I run a flat base edge and an 88 degree side.
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feef, Flat base edge, would be a rather i.e very) catchy? The club racers i know here always use 0.5 or 0.7. base. I doubt they come out of the factory with a 0 degree base edge
For my off piste skis i use 1 base and 3 side, does not dull too quick and grips fine. Piste stuff 0.7 base and 3 deg side
sorry cross post
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carroz, +1
anything between 0.5/0.7 or even 1 base & 3 side here too!
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There's nothing like "best angle for everything". Angles depend on this how good skier you are, what you want from your skis, what skis they are and what snow you are skiing. Personally I run SL and GS skis at 0.2/5 while SG skis (for those few options I have in a season to use them) are set to 0.5/5. But that's definitely not suggestion for everyone and everything. Base angles are set the way I prefer them, while side angle is set to 5 degrees, since I got file holder from friend, who is setting both his athletes skis to 5 degrees. And I can guarantee noone will notice difference between 3 and 5 degrees on side, unless you are skiing only injected courses. Since most of people don't ski injected courses, only difference is, that 5degree edge needs sharpening a bit faster.
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bambi, what level of skier are you and how tall and roughly what is your weight... If you are a slip of a lass 1 deg sides may be fine.. also if you are an intermediate 1 deg is probably fine.. 1 degree base is fine for an all round ski and for most race skis... I have most of my all rounder skis on 1 deg base
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skimottaret, Not wishing to hijack bambi 's thread, but while you are around perhaps you could give me some advice, as you know my build and my skiing! I'm taking my skis to be serviced for the first time tomorrow. They are currently 1:1 (according to Spyderjon's list details of manufacturer's settings for Elan skis). Should I keep them the same or change them?
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Iski, keep em the same... they will be fine you... All this talk of specialised edge angles is applicable if you are happy to do your own ski servicing and have all the equipment to do it but most shops will not do a "race tune" for you as it requires them to adjust their machines. 1 and 1 is fine imo and you can easily get a service wherever you are at.. at your stature you really dont need the extra grip that a 3 deg side angle will provide.
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret, Thanks 
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what level of skier are you and how tall and roughly what is your weight... If you are a slip of a lass 1 deg sides may be fine.. also if you are an intermediate 1 deg is probably fine.. 1 degree base is fine for an all round ski and for most race skis... I have most of my all rounder skis on 1 deg base
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skimottaret - i'm an advanced skiier, 5-10 12.5 stone.. & wondering, if i justify the expense of a new pair of Sources, should i leave them as movement recommend i.e. 1 & 1 or change the side to 3.... Only have 87 & 88 degree edge sharpeners atm!
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bambi, If you have your own tuning gear by all means change angles, they are a personal preference. Personally I would keep all your skis on either 87 or 88 and ditch one of the edge guides. 87 would be my choice as the extra wear is so minimal compared to the 88. Why have both ?
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primoz, is there any reason why it may be preferable to set side edge angle on GS skis less acute than on SL skis for kids or novice racers eg at 89 deg instead of 87 deg?
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slikedges, side angle doesn't really matter much. "Sharper" angles (5 or 6 degrees) give you extra sharpness needed on injected courses but that's about it. And they last less. For normal skiing, there's not much difference between 1 or 6 degrees on side. For World cup, DH and SG skis are sometimes set to smaller angle then SL/GS skis, but that's mainly due reason, that most of SG and DH races are not held on injected courses, while every single SL and GS race is.
Base angle is the one that matters, and the one that even beginners would notice difference (even though they probably wouldn't figure out why one ski skies great, while other (completely same ski, just different angle) would ski like sh**t). For SL it really doesn't matter, and there's quite few racers, who use 0 for SL. This ski is meant to be on edge all the time, and you actually want it to catch edge as fast as possible. For GS, you already have some glide parts on course, and some people don't want GS skis to engage that fast, so they set their GS skis with a bit more of an angle. For SG and DH it's same, just even more extreme. Another thing is, how do you feel on skis. If you are able to glide ski completely flat on base, then you don't need to worry about this, but if you are not, then some base angle helps you glide easier. And less experienced you are, more of this angle is required.
As far as side angle goes, I don't see any reason why to have set it for less for less experienced racers. You really won't feel difference in skiing between 1 and 6 degrees (talking about normal snow conditions, not injected courses, where 2 or 3 degree side is more or less guarantee for sliding down the course and nor arcing it).
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primoz, thanks, just that I seem to recall dany vaquin saying to me that he usually sets kids' GS skis on 88/89 and SL on 86/87...maybe I recall incorrectly! Must admit, to keep things lazy and simple I've set all the skis in the household to 0.5 and 88! I might up the kids' skis to 86, but they only very rarely go near an injected course, and think about reducing their SL base angle (not sure they are that good tbh).
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I've always set base to 0.75 and edge to 3. Works as a all round set up but on fatter skis I still don't get great grip on very icy pistes. Then again, that's what slalom skis are for  Especially on softer skis I really noticed the difference when I changed from a 1 degree side edge to a 3.
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