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Karl Marx wrote:
@limegreen1, you and others keep going on like this ... as if the SCGB has some sort of innate legal authority or moral respectability. If you've been following this thread over the past couple of years, you'll know that the SCGB has ...

- Falsified its membership statistics, for years and currently, at 29,000 to 34,000 etc. Failed to publish its subscription numbers ('paying units') for the past 3 years.
- Failed to account for the income/expenditure of its ten-year cumulative 'environmental fund' of c.£100,000
- Promoted and sold ski helmets using false head injury data
- Sold advertising for Ski Club TV, its magazine Ski+Board and its website, using false audience data, from 2011 to 2014.
- Published false snow depth data for Scottish ski areas, and repeatedly (each winter for the past 3 winters) reported Scottish ski areas "closed" all weekend, when they've been open.

On that basis, why stick up for a 'kangaroo court' in its expulsion of a member?

limegreen1 wrote:
You have to legally challenge to have the ruling over turned


No I don't! Clubs are perfectly capable of addressing wrongs and putting them right. I'm not paying the fees of 'men in wigs'


I understand fully what you are saying......
But the fact remains .... Kangaroo court or not, you "have been expelled" ..... You are not a member.

Legal challenge ? No ?? ........
I am afraid to be the one to break it to you but ... yes you do ...... If you are waiting for the club to reinstate you by "righting " their wrongs you will be an ex member for many a years.
If you are not going to spend money on such a challenge then the whole of this thread should be put to bed by your own admission ....
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@Karl Marx, it is clear to everyone that you are indeed not a member of the SCGB . I would imagine it is also clear to everyone why they would not want you as a member.
Grow up, accept it.
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rob@rar wrote:
Surely any club that has the authority to speak on behalf of a nation has the authority to expel members and decline applications for their readmission...?


The SCGB says it has that authority. If I accepted that it had that authority I might agree with you.

On a comparable note [his lawyer argued that his client had been subjected to a 'kangaroo court'] ... what was the position of rob@rar on the expulsion of Simon Butler from BASI on 1 November 2014?

http://www.basi.org.uk/article/basi-statement-cessation-of-membership-simon-butler.aspx

Did you agree with the BASI board's expulsion decision, as reported in the above link?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/snowandski/11248334/Ski-champion-fighting-teaching-ban.html

After the Edinburgh court had reinstated Simon Butler's membership [as reported in the above link], did you agree with Simon Butler's lawyer? ...

Quote:
Ian Mitchell, QC, the senior counsel in Mr Butler’s case, described the BASI process to expel Mr Butler as “a grotesque Kangaroo court.”


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rob@rar wrote:
you [to] abuse the hospitality of snowHeads to pursue your vendetta against the club


Of the hundreds following this thread, you are the only one making that point. snowHeads is an open public forum, like Speaker's Corner. What special rules apply to me personally ... and what makes you assert that this is a "vendetta"?

Definition of vendetta in English [Oxford Dictionaries]
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/vendetta
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what makes you assert that this is a "vendetta"?

How about the definition given in your own link above: "a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone". Innit.
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Simon Butler legally challenged the expulsion.
This has no bearing on the clubs stance of your being expelled.....
If you feel aggrieved by the actions of the "kangaroo court" then take legal action ......
Otherwise .... You remain an ex member .... And will be for many a year ....
It matters not what has gone before nor what anyone thinks, .. bar the judge who will make the decision to over turn the clubs decision or not should a legal challenge be made .....
You are not going make one and the SCGB are obviously not interested.......

Pointless
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rob@rar wrote:
Karl Marx wrote:

- Sold advertising for Ski Club TV, its magazine Ski+Board and its website, using false audience data, from 2011 to 2014.
I'm no lawyer but I'd have guessed that's a libellous statement unless you have the facts to prove it.


Yes, it would be a libel, if all three aspects of that sentence weren't true, in terms of documented evidence.


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Karl Marx wrote:
what was the position of rob@rar on the expulsion of Simon Butler from BASI on 1 November 2014?
I don't have an informed opinion on that matter, and even if I did it would be entirely irrelevant to your vendetta against Gerry and his club, and your abuse (IMO) of snowHeads in pursuing your vendetta.

Karl Marx wrote:
... and what makes you assert that this is a "vendetta"?
Your behaviour makes me assert it is a vendetta.
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OK, we'll ignore the Oxford Dictionary, the law, and anything else except Law@Rar.
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Karl Marx wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
Karl Marx wrote:

- Sold advertising for Ski Club TV, its magazine Ski+Board and its website, using false audience data, from 2011 to 2014.
I'm no lawyer but I'd have guessed that's a libellous statement unless you have the facts to prove it.


Yes, it would be a libel, if all three aspects of that sentence weren't true, in terms of documentary evidence.
Well, I'm glad you are confident to make that statement. I would truly hate to see the club pursue you for making false and malicious claims in public about some of its commercial activities.
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Karl Marx wrote:
OK, we'll ignore the Oxford Dictionary, the law, and anything else except Law@Rar.
You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar wrote:
I would truly hate to see the club pursue you for making false and malicious claims in public about some of its commercial activities.


No you wouldn't. You'd love it.
Let's be absolutely clear here: none of the above is either (a) false (b) malicious. I have very strong moral objections, as a member of the Ski Club of Great Britain, to the way the organisation operates commercially. These objections are part-based on my working for the Club - primarily from 1984 to 1994 - when it presented all the data relevant to our activities (on the SCGB magazine Ski Survey) correctly.
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Karl Marx wrote:
No you wouldn't. You'd love it.
Really, I wouldn't. I'd like to see an end to your grievances against the Ski Club. Skiing should be fun, and to me it seems like you're not having much fun with your ongoing disputes, so why not leave it be and just focus on the enjoyable bits of the skiing community...?
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To be fair the world is dependent on belligerent b@st@rds that refuse to "move on" and insist on tackling an injustice. I am not sure I would pick this particular injustice to latch on to but nevertheless.....
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Karl Marx wrote:
I'm not paying the fees of 'men in wigs'


The usual excuse given by people who know their case would get laughed out of court Very Happy
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Karl Marx wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
I would truly hate to see the club pursue you for making false and malicious claims in public about some of its commercial activities.


No you wouldn't. You'd love it.
Let's be absolutely clear here: none of the above is either (a) false (b) malicious. I have very strong moral objections, as a member of the Ski Club of Great Britain, to the way the organisation operates commercially. These objections are part-based on my working for the Club - primarily from 1984 to 1994 - when it presented all the data relevant to our activities (on the SCGB magazine Ski Survey) correctly.


Karl, karl, kalm down. Ze SKGB vill kollapse under ze Veight of its internal Kontradictions.
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Friedrich Engels wrote:
Ze SKGB vill kollapse under ze Veight of its internal Kontradictions.


Ah, Engels, I've been veighting to hear from you.

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["Snowboarding and skiing on Primrose Hill" with or without Friedrich Engels: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/4435091/Snowboarding-and-skiing-on-Primrose-Hill-London.html?image=3 ]
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On the previos page, DG quotes the former Rules of the SCGB as being those under which he was wrongly expelled.
However, the club incorported, many moons before said expulsion.
By paying his membership fees in the year after incorporation DG, and all other members who did so, were deemed to have accepted the new terms of the Limited by guarantee company.
Under those new terms DG's membership was correctly terminated - they give a right to a written objection, not to a face to face with the committee.
DG knows this full well, he is being disingenuous, to say the least, to keep quoting the obsolete Rules.

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rob@rar wrote:
you [to] abuse the hospitality of snowHeads to pursue your vendetta against the club


Of the hundreds following this thread, you are the only one making that point. snowHeads is an open public forum, like Speaker's Corner. What special rules apply to me personally ... and what makes you assert that this is a "vendetta"?


I agree with @rob@rar, you are abusing the forum. And I also agree its a vendetta. I suspect many others agree too.
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Scrumpy on 13 February wrote:
On the previos page, DG quotes the former Rules of the SCGB as being those under which he was wrongly expelled.
However, the club incorported, many moons before said expulsion.
By paying his membership fees in the year after incorporation DG, and all other members who did so, were deemed to have accepted the new terms of the Limited by guarantee company.
Under those new terms DG's membership was correctly terminated - they give a right to a written objection, not to a face to face with the committee.
DG knows this full well, he is being disingenuous, to say the least, to keep quoting the obsolete Rules.


Oh yes, all terribly proper and credible (in common with the "former" - and only respectful - Rules that acknowledge normal British qualities of justice) ... until one looks further into the provenance of the 'Articles' of Ski Club of Great Britain Limited, which you rely upon.

This 'Scrumpy' needs outing ...

Scrumpy on 10 February wrote:

You are an arrogant, narcissistic, plumped up toe rag with very little in common with any other person I have ever come across.
You bore everyone stupid with your incessant ranting.
Your problems have left you unemployable, in the normal "earning a living" sense of the word.


... because 'Scrumpy' comes across as some sort of 'official SCGB troll', always at the ready to communicate for The Establishment. Always willing to smear and libel, in the interests of maintaining the status quo and the 'gravy train with wings'.

And, as we know, 'Scrumpy' has a direct personal line of communication from the SCGB CEO ...
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=94856&start=3440#2646906

Scrumpy on 7 January wrote:
From Ski Club Chief Executive :
"Morning (Scrumpy),

Thank you for your note. To confirm Mr Goldsmith’s application was rejected and he is not a member of the Club.

Thanks and best wishes for a great 2015.

Frank"


Come on, Scrumpy. Out yourself - it'll save some awkward correspondence.


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@Shimmy Alcott, me too. The only thing that can be said for David is that he rarely descends to outright insults like some others do.
For the record, I only follow this thread intermittently and am rather ashamed of doing so, it's a bit like spectating at a car crash or a similar disaster.
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@Shimmy Alcott, @rob@rar, @eblunt,
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@Karl Marx, Try Companies House for provenance of SCGB Ltd - I've no more time to waste on you.

But the post you were busy not responding to, about the SCGB rules is COMPLETELY FACTUAL.


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No, not the provenance of SCGB Ltd. The provenance of its Articles of Association. The document that was never circulated to SCGB members.
The document that you claim - it's very debatable - replaces the real Rules of the Ski Club of Great Britain.
The Rules that were ... err ... 'expelled' (or not)
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@Karl Marx, Memorandum & Articles of Association registered with Co.s Ho. ARE the legal framework of any entity you stupid little dead man you. Skullie
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Scrumpy wrote:
... you stupid little dead man you. Skullie


This kind of language is really not appreciated. Why not join us, and Gerry, at Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese, on the evening of 1 April ... for some light-hearted banter and goodwill.
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Karl Marx wrote:
rob@rar wrote:
I would truly hate to see the club pursue you for making false and malicious claims in public about some of its commercial activities.


No you wouldn't. You'd love it.
Let's be absolutely clear here: none of the above is either (a) false (b) malicious. I have very strong moral objections, has a member of the Ski Club of Great Britain, to the way the organisation operates commercially. These objections are part-based on my working for the Club - primarily from 1984 to 1994 - when it presented all the data relevant to our activities (on the SCGB magazine Ski Survey) correctly.



Bing bong bing bong ...... Earth to DG Earth to DG ,......,..........

YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER

YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER

YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER


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@Karl Marx, you say that you have "moral objections" to the commercialisation of the Ski Club of which YOU are a member. You are NOT a member of the SCGB and you know it. Can you please stop pedaling this lie and misinforming this forum, it's pathetic.
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Karl Marx wrote:
Scrumpy wrote:
... you stupid little dead man you. Skullie


This kind of language is really not appreciated. Why not join us, and Gerry, at Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese, on the evening of 1 April ... for some light-hearted banter and goodwill.


Karl Marx is dead - I understand he is "just up the road" ; but have never been to visit. Cool
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Come on, Scrumpy. Out yourself - it'll save some awkward correspondence.

Ah yes, the real names on the interweb thang. Haven't seen that one for a while. Really, your headwear contains more insects than an ant farm.
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Mr Goldsmith (Shirley). I know that pub. What will you be wearing on the first of April, a suit and hat or a pretty dress? How will we recognise you? I'm assuming you'll bring your boxes of 'evidence'. Fitness for meetings does generally assume 'full insight into condition' and, given the situation here, I'd bring a reprensentative.
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@Karl Marx, I'm not sure what this thread is about, I missed the first bit and my PC doesn't got back that far.

Any chance you could start again from the beginning as you do seem pretty cross about something?

Thanks.
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@Karl Marx,

Are you a member of the SCGB.....................................NO!

Should you now be a member of the SCGB.....re the invite...............YES!

WHY NOT! Becaue you made the basic mistake of coming on here bragging that you where back in BEFORE ! they took your money.

Your fault nobody elses as to why you are not back, you should have kept quiet waited till the money had gone, you got your membership numbers etc then bragged that the ban was over. If they had expelled you again after that before you had a chance to give them grounds you could have taken that to lawyers for redress but you did not you did not think clearly.


Are you conducting a Vendetta as rob@rar, has suggested YES! but from what bits I have seen so is GA so I do not hold that against you as I view due to his position he should act in a more mature and professional manner than you would be obliged to, though that does not mean you should not strive to do so yourself.

Your comments on here are not producing the results you want so as someone who I take has a reasonably good level of intelligence do you not think that this suggests you need to rethink your stratergy ? You need friends not more enemies.
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Happy Valentine's Day to Ski Comrades of Great Britain

Karl xxx
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@Karl Marx,

You are too early, but hey it may be a start.

Would work better if you supplied some chocs some alcohol plus some flowers for the ladies ( though they may prefer the first two wink )
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Karl, please remember that Valentine was a so-called saint, and religion is the opium of the masses. Besides, Valentine's Day is a conspiracy of the factory owners and the bourgeoisie. I'm beginning to think that you are an imposter, comrade.
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'Skiing Bond' special for St Valentine's Day ... 'The Spy Who Loved Me' ...

As a special greeting, Karl extends his Happy Valentine's Day message to all adversaries, 'inner sanctum' members of the SKGB, 'Wimbledon trolls' [Womtrolls], trollettes, agents of Spectre, and anyone else who secretly loves him [or not].

As a special Valentine's Day feature of New Ski Club of Great Britain chat forum ... here's the genius skiing sequence [the opening scene] of 'The Spy Who Loved Me', starring Roger Moore ...


http://youtube.com/v/_kyQauA2udc

... pre-jump skiing filmed by Willy Bogner. Basejump stunt by stuntman Rick Sylvester ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Sylvester

The remarkable story of the making of that stunt was documented by Rick Sylvester - the man himself - in "I Doubled for James Bond," SKI Magazine (Late Winter 1978) ... and here's a video interview with Rick Sylvester, explaining how it was done [14 mins] ...


http://youtube.com/v/AyRLGu0UGlw
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Interesting exchange of banter right now on skiclub.co.uk ...

Ski Club Freshtracks: Women off piste
http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/membersonly/snowtalk/discussion.aspx/Ski-Club-Freshtracks?discussionID=15106#.VOEBzE0giiw

It opens with Skeeb executive Katy Ellis [Sales & Operations Manager, Ski Club Freshtracks] candidly making a number of points about SCGB holidays and "compatible women". SCGB member John Dixon* wades in with some dodgy humour that goes down like a lead cablecar ...

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So does this ratio work,the female minority defuses all the testosterone of male competition,gives the guide someone who at least listens to what they say,but more than that ratio doesn't work,by the end of the week too many women start fighting amongst themselves? ...
... So the solution is no more than two women per guide on SCGB off-piste holidays and you will fill these slots instantly due to the publicity and outraged response ...
... Two spoonfuls of male chauvinism shaken not stirred and as predicted the post generates publicity ,outrage and mass signings up for womens' off-piste skiing.
I would like claim a free SCGB off-piste holiday and 30CH per day spending money next season.


* The SCGB had a past general manager (effectively CEO), back in the 1980s, with exactly that name but it seems unlikely to be that John Dixon. Can said Dixon clarify?
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@Karl Marx, and others round on him for making such chauvanist comments including the man you love to hate, GA. You didn't mention that though as it wouldn't back up the view you like to portray of SCGB. Maybe it is the same Mr Dixon you mention as the CEO in the '80's , the days you seem to see as the halcyon days of the SCGB!
And this thread nearly dropped off 1st page I guess thats why you had to comment!
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Why are you pasting threads from the SCGB forum on here and asking the posters to comment on here ? WTF !
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Why are you pasting threads from the SCGB forum on here and asking the posters to comment on here ? WTF !
WTF indeed.
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