 Poster: A snowHead
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Happy New Year, David. I'll miss your posts! x
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| msej449 wrote: |
I have no axe to grind here but having come across SCGB reps a few times, and been the subject of their sales pitch, here any my observations/questions:
Are all SCGB Resort Reps male, failed, ex-public-school types?
Do they all have a glamorous but intellectually challenged blonde in tow?
Is the sales pitch still the same as we got 5-6 years ago?
I really couldn't see the cost/benefit case then for membership: Now, almost all major ski domains have excellent, almost-real-time, accurate lift and piste pages; there are plenty of good, free, overview Resort Guides available through newpaper and forum sites; National weather agencies are the best source for real-time weather information (and are the original source for a lot of web sites anyway); there are loads of sites giving discounts for pre-booking equipment, as well as the shops themselves; and Reps can't do orientation guiding in France anymore. So what do I get for my money? |
Q1 - no - I have never met any such. Many are married. Many are women. Many have good jobs or are self employed.
Q2. No - though one did chat up a female doctor on a holiday I was on. (Dark haired I think)
Q3. no idea what it was then / now as I joined for the Freshtracks holidays but have also enjoyed skiing with resort leaders.
Q4 you get zero for your money if you pay zero.
By the way- they have been called Leaders rather than Reps for several years ( and no, I don't agree with that).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| @George Jones, his points may be valid but he is so poisonous they don't want to listen. As to the SCGBs future...who knows. Their Facebook page is reasonably lively... |
Is he poisonous?
I think he is just a member of the awkward squad.
I agree the scgb do not want to listen, but transparency is often a better policy than suppression.
As the Texan skier Lyndon Baines Johnson once said :-
" I would rather have Comedy Goldsmith inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in"
Mr. Goldsmith will not go away, the club must know that by now.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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And the video surfaces again... it does still make me laugh though.
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Q4 you get zero for your money if you pay zero.
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I'm not taking sides here, nor judging for it, but the fact that you've used snowHeads for free for over 10 years sort of disproves that point 
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sorry @admin, , you set it up as a free service - I won't be paying to try to counter DG's rubbish - 38.8 posts p.a. is hardly part of my lifestyle.
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@Scrumpy, like admin, not taking sides, but contribution as in (posts) is only part of the equation. Playing devils advocate are you saying you have only been online and looked at this forum circa 38.8 times per year?
Not a fan of DG posting style.
Not a member nor never have been of the tea club.
Not a basi member or instructor.
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@George Jones, he can get very nasty while pretending to be just the messenger
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| George Jones wrote: |
As the Texan skier Lyndon Baines Johnson once said :-
" I would rather have Tragedy Goldsmith inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in"
Mr. Goldsmith will not go away, the club must know that by now. |
Unfortunately the tent got about knee deep in the stuff, which is rather uncivilised behaviour by any standards, and MrG was thrown out.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@ansta1, Thanks, you reminded me to have a look around ! Really I don't have the time on a regular basis.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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FACTUAL INFORMATION
| blahblahblah wrote: |
| Half price membership this week, only until 11th. |
That is correct. The following SCGB offer went out by email to a large number of skiers on the SCGB database today.
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DISCOVER A WORLD OF SNOW FOR 50% LESS
Join the Ski Club and save a massive 50% on your membership fee.
But get your skates (or skis) on - the offer ends at midnight on Sunday 11 January! |
The email had a link to this 'news story' dated 6 December 2015 ...
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One recipient of the offer above (at 10.53 this morning) was David Goldsmith, at his permanent BT email address. Goldsmith was expelled by the Ski Club of Great Britain on 30 September 2013. His former membership (which originally commenced in 1962) was tied to the same BT email address for over 15 years.
At approximately 17.00, Mr Goldsmith applied for membership of the SCGB at the half-price individual rate of £31.50. The details he supplied were identical to those he has always given to the Club: same name, address, email address, bank information etc.
At 17.16 Goldsmith received an email from the SCGB, as follows:
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Dear David,
Thank you for joining the Ski Club of Great Britain.
Your payment receipt
Name David Goldsmith
Membership number Your membership number will be emailed to you on the next working day
Payment for Ski Club Membership: Individual
Payment ref XXX-XXXXXXXX
Amount £31.50
Date 06 January 2015
Direct Debit The Ski Club membership team will email you with confirmation of your Direct Debit within 3 working days
Logging in to skiclub.co.uk
Once you've received your membership number, you'll be able to log in using your membership number or email address and your password.
Your Ski Club membership card and membership pack will be sent separately in the next couple of weeks.
We hope you get much enjoyment from your Ski Club membership and please don't hesitate to contact us if we can be of any help. If you experience any difficulties logging on, please either email members@skiclub.co.uk or call 020 8410 2015 (Mon-Fri 9am-5.30pm).
With best wishes,
The Membership Department
Membership Department
Ski Club of Great Britain
The White House, 57-63 Church Road
Wimbledon, London SW19 5SB
Tel: 020 8410 2015
Fax: 020 8410 2001 |
[end of factual statement]
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Wed 7-01-15 1:09; edited 3 times in total
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^ "Comedy" Goldsmith indeed.
The thread that keeps on giving.
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You know it makes sense.
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So you are back on the inside David, and with a new snowheads sock, welcome!!!!!
How long, before pjski or someone else fess's you up to the massive and you "get a refund"?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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And as with other things, i think you will find that acceptance of payment and confirmation is likely to be precluded on further verification. So if they still wish to keep you from the insider list David, then they will without recourse.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| ansta1 wrote: |
| How long, before pjski or someone else fess's you up to the massive and you "get a refund"? |
You should be advised that when David Goldsmith's 2012-3 membership was terminated on 30.9.13 he received no further membership benefits for that membership year. There was no refund of the unexpired proportion of his annual subscription.
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| And as with other things, i think you will find that acceptance of payment and confirmation is likely to be precluded on further verification. So if they still wish to keep you from the insider list David, then they will without recourse. |
Is your information based on contract law? Mr Goldsmith understands that there has been a binding acceptance of his membership application, based on his acceptance of all the SCGB's terms and conditions. He is confirmed as a member of the Ski Club of Great Britain, as clearly stated above.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well clearly you don't understand contract law fully David.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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And don't you have stuff to do before the 6th of May 2015. I have it marked in my diary and will be checking back on the various online portals you frequent!!!!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| ansta1 wrote: |
| And don't you have stuff to do before the 6th of May 2015. |
Certainly, David Goldsmith is preparing an appropriate commemoration of the 112th anniversary of the Ski Club of Great Britain, as one would expect. This is just a part of his exceptional workload.
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| SCGB insider wrote: |
| ansta1 wrote: |
| And don't you have stuff to do before the 6th of May 2015. |
Certainly, David Goldsmith is preparing an appropriate commemoration of the 112th anniversary of the Ski Club of Great Britain, as one would expect. This is just a part of his exceptional workload. |
Well get to it then!
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| ansta1 wrote: |
| Well clearly you don't understand contract law |
David Goldsmith has a legally-binding contract of membership of the Ski Club of Great Britain. There is no point in your adopting this bluster - the law could not be clearer.
The unsolicited offer of SCGB membership was made to DG personally, setting out all terms and conditions. DG accepted them all and guaranteed the subscription payment. The membership was then confirmed, as above.
Here is the relevant law of 'offer and acceptance', which could not be clearer:
Formation of contracts
http://www.out-law.com/page-396
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| admin wrote: |
| And the video surfaces again... it does still make me laugh though. |
Me too - so, so funny.
A Tea Club leader once bought me a drink. On expenses? Still didn't join, though.
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/me re-roffles @ that vid.
31 quid is nearly the right price.
could get quite a few bombardinos and glühweins for that though.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@SCGB insider, Perhaps the SCGB has adopted a New Year resolution to let past disputes be forgotten, hence their conciliatory invitation for David Goldsmith to rejoin the club? 
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Wed 7-01-15 1:16; edited 1 time in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Alastair Pink, wait until that nice, polite guy, Mr Aitken hears about it! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@ansta1, I note that item 2.6 of the linked T's and C's states that members may terminate their membership in writing or by phoning (in which case no refund is granted). No details of the procedure for the club terminating membership are provided (although Section 1 states that acceptance of membership is at the club's absolute discretion  ). I trust that if the SCGB does terminate DG's membership that he will receive a full refund? (the club's failure to refund the unexpired portion of his previous membership when they previously expelled him does not reflect well on them IMHO)
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| (although Section 1 states that acceptance of membership is at the club's absolute discretion ). |
It depends whether the email from the ski club was an invitation to tender (I refer to the Boots court of appeal case in 1953), in which case DG is only a full member once his bank account is debited or is it an offer, in which case the acceptance of his card is a binding contract.
Looks like the tea club is getting into a legal pickle again. They should get lawyered up!
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 7-01-15 10:56; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Priceless.
@SCGB insider, I shall expect however that the savings you've made to be equitably distributed, preferably by donation into the rapidly diminishing snowheads popcorn fund...
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If he has already been permanently barred from membership then i would guess he is in contravention of the club's terms and conditions which i would suggest will make any contractual obligation non-binding.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| ansta1 wrote: |
| If he has already been permanently barred from membership then i would guess he is in contravention of the club's terms and conditions which i would suggest will make any contractual obligation non-binding. |
He could assume that if they made an offer or invitation then that was made in good faith.
It is not DG's fault the tea club are a bunch of incompetent asshats if what you say is the case.
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I like this in the T&C
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| we retain the right to bring proceedings against you for breach of these conditions in your country of residence or any other relevant country. |
comical, they threaten you before you even join them
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@Arctic Roll,
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Your message was logged at 04:28. Dead-of-night clairvoyance is not normal, but thank you for your trouble.
Alternatively, in the unlikely event that you are relaying the decision of an emergency SCGB board meeting, then your prediction (an incorrect one) will be accepted in good faith.
Please accept that a contract exists and that the Ski Club of GB only has two options to cancel Mr Goldsmith's membership (and why they should wish to do that, having invited him to rejoin, is perhaps something only known to you):
1. An invalid one.
2. An invalid one.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Assumption is the mother of all cock ups, I don't know the wording around DG's original exclusion, it may well have had the word 'permanent' or 'don't cross this threshold again you twit'. I'm certainly not going defend either party because both are clearly tired and very last century.
As for vetting I think it would also be not as straight forward to vet any prospective members as what are they going to do decline anyone with the name 'David Goldsmith' who applies. Sure you could add further checking such as address, DOB as whilst it's very unlikely that someone with those same details would apply for member who isn't the real DG, but it's not impossible.
As a further point and I don't know the answer because I haven't read the AoA or the full T's and C's of the membership, but they could concievably have a clause in there that allows them to take an 'administration fee' for just processing his membership, even if he is ultimately kicked out again.
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@thegnomewithnoname,
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FAQ
WTF would he do that for?
