 Poster: A snowHead
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> There's all to play for.
or not, after 15 years of widespread web use I suspect those that want to connect have, by and large, connected, and the other 97% of British skiers are not the slightest bit interested.
> "working to establish the Ski Club as the source for snowsports news."
why? Are they a newspaper? Do they have journalists on the ground or at the least access to press news feeds?
The ski club would do better to focus on stuff that could be useful to club members, like any other club, that is if they really are a club and just run for the benefit of a few people. |
This +1
Anyway - bad spamming attempt by the OP and nice work by Windymiller in flagging it up.
here we go yet again Goldsmith has indeed got previous on this one, but we were all getting a bit bored so hey ho...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What this thread is about is Comedy Goldsmith, sad obsession with the SCUK, and his belief that they have some kind of personal vendetta against him. The thread is also about his desire, to seem relevant in the skiing community, and to appear superior intellectually, to his peers.
First of the Number of Skier in the UK is so regularly overstated it is not funny, a large % of UK skiers are once a year holiday visitors who see it as nothing else other than a holiday, look at your bonnie Prince Charles, can you see him joining SCUK for the discounts? The Leaders,or just so he can pop by the chat forum?
Most are not as obsessive after all there are 33,644 registered snowheads!
If I want chat or forums I pop bye here or over to TGR, I have no need to use chat on SCUK or the two other Ski organisations I am involved in in fact if I wanted to talk to someone from those other bodies I would pick up the phone or do it face to face.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Masque, there is no way the SCGB could afford the oppulence of SnowHead Towers. The last time I had lunch with The Long Haired One it was in a Picadilly club. Wimbledon just doesn't cut it any more.
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I've spoken to many SCGB reps at shows, each time they try to get us to join. In my case they can't offer me anything to make my membership worthwhile. OK, if i was a solo skier it might be worth it to use the service of skiing in a group in a resort, but really I can get that through SH's postings - i.e. I'm going to A,B, C etc. is there anyone that I can hook up with? - I had a lovely flurry of offers when I thought I would be on my tod with the kids in Austria last year. I can get all sorts of discounts through SH membership, as a member of SH's i.e. discounted ski insurance deals, store discounts etc.
Lately we have also been getting excellent draw prizes on offer through SH's, I can have a damn good holiday if I hook up with a SH's bash, I can get involved socially through SH's and at the end of the day if I don't want to pay anything for all of the above I don't need to. SKGC want to charge me a significant membership fee and the only addition is a glossy magazine (and I don't have time to read the 4 magazines that arrive each month from different memberships) and a few freebies that I probably already own in different brands anyway. It would be like rolling up and burning £5 notes to join SCGB and for me as a family skier I can't see that it can offer me sufficient to make the membership worthwhile.
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Masque, I really dont care about the original war, nor the SCGB as no interest in what they offer .
Like many Im glad MO day happened as I have got so much out of this site in so many ways but no other interest apart from the general amusement the 2 or 3 with long memories and deep feelings provide. I apologise for enjoying the car-crash nature of it all but that's about it.
As to Admin's future intent .. if I were him I'd keep it well-hidden in my back pocket!
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| Fattes13 wrote: |
| First of the Number of Skier in the UK is so regularly overstated it is not funny... |
This is very true. The usual "million skiers in the UK" trips off the tongue very nicely, especially by the media, but the reality is way lower than that. If the Crystal Ski Industry Report is accurate (and it is now generally accepted as being pretty-much OK), then there were 895,000 trips taken last season. They don't go into how many heads that represents but we all know people who go 2/3/4/5/6/7/8 times per season so that 895,000 could easily represent just 5-600,000 people. But then if you walk down the street and ask "are you a skier?" you'll probably find a good few million who consider themselves skiers even though they don't go every year or maybe haven't been for years. Many are interested in skiing but the only ones that really count are those who put their hands in their pockets and buy stuff like holidays, gear and memberships. Unfortunately for the ski club, that pool of potential members is getting smaller and dropping off the old end of the demographics.
I was once told that a decent target for a club (or indeed a forum) was 10% of the market. So by my unchecked maths, a figure around the 60k mark for membership or forum registrations would be the target.
And yes, a ski club employee/representative started this thread so all that followed appears to be self-inflicted.
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Bode Swiller wrote,
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Many are interested in skiing but the only ones that really count are those who put their hands in their pockets and buy stuff like holidays, gear and memberships. Unfortunately for the ski club, that pool of potential members is getting smaller and dropping off the old end of the demographics.
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There are lots of different reasons for why anyone is a member of anything. The best members (in terms of the club's finances and thus "health") are the ones who pay their subs but do not use the facilities. Think of gyms, golf clubs etc. That is why most member organisations spend most of their effort trying to recruit new members rather than in retaining their existing ones.
The model might be changing with people easily able to access "groups" online (FB and  for example) but it will take many years to make the old model not work (not least due to auto-renewal, DD banking etc meaning that inactivity actually perpetuates the model)
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Tiger2, one of the club's sales lines is that "the discounts more than pay for the membership" and for that to work you need active members. I think health clubs would much prefer busy clubs.
DDs are so simple to cancel these days, I don't think your inertia argument holds true any more.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Basically, the SCGB is like Woolworth's. They liked the crowd they had in 1970 but haven't moved on and so will slowly lose numbers until you have to have a double barrelled surname to be a member.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Bode Swiller, I take the point (which is why I think the model might be changing) but you only need to convince people that they might use enough of the services offered for it to pay for their membership. In reality I suspect very few people use the facilities/services that are on offer in many of the clubs to which they subscribe thereby rendering the "benefit" useless. But their perception is that the benefits more than pay for their membership.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| DDs are so simple to cancel these days, I don't think your inertia argument holds true any more. |
While I agree with the first part of your sentence,I don't really agree with the second. The inertia benefit may be less than it was but it's still significant IMO. I still often meet people who, when introduced to me as 'someone in skiing' declare themselves to be members of that British Ski Club thing that they had to join in order to go on some holiday a friend organised and still get charged every bally year for the thing. But then these are people for whom £50-60 per year isn't a significant dent in their disposable income and unless they have a particularly proactive accountant, the DD is unlikely to be cancelled unless Coutts goes under.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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admin, luckily market research companies don't rely too heavily on the old anecdotal "bumped into 'someone in skiing' etc" scenario. The key to this may be the change in banking behaviour. According to Ernst & Young, 10% of people changed bank between 2008 and 2010 and 11% said they were imminently going to do so. This is a dramatic rate of change in the banking industry and it's quickening. Swapping banks is when the DDs get cancelled. I know they get transferred over but it's when you go on to look around the shiny new online system that you reassess what you need or don't need any more. One click and it's gone.
By the way, Coutts... part of RBS/NatWest and all that. They bloody nearly did go under.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If CSM is bored, can we have a :yawn: smiley please?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Comedy Goldsmith, I do think that what we are lacking here is an activity graph updated daily, I'm sure it would be of great interest 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I think Comedy Goldsmith is actually employed by the SCGB, after all, all his discussion of, and linking to the site and forum can only improve their visibility and ranking in the search engines.
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Frosty the Snowman, Only Comedy Goldsmith, there is a limited History in that a change of rules in a fee paying club led to the formation of . That is where the connections ended.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Just in case anyone is remotely interested, as a comparison Snivel had no postings yesterday, or the day before. perhaps their software stopped working at the end of 2012 
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Claude B, when I looked at it last year, there were only 2 or 3 ID's posting on it and they were all Phil the Vole under different guises so perhaps he's no longer posting as he's done the dirty on himself this time and gone off to set up a competitor to Snivel 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I've been secretly grading you in my little [net]book
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This makes me happy and scared all at once!
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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betterinblack,
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the link is comedy gold.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Dam . . . cat did do a whupsie 
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
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| Pedantica wrote: |
betterinblack,
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the link is comedy gold.
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+2 soooooooooooooooooo funny.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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betterinblack,
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the link is comedy gold.
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+2 soooooooooooooooooo funny. |
+loads - they really are full of self-importance, aren't they?
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| agw wrote: |
| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| Pedantica wrote: |
betterinblack,
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the link is comedy gold.
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+2 soooooooooooooooooo funny. |
+loads - they really are full of self-importance, aren't they? |
+1...very entertaining 
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5-snowHeads-ring-licking
4 curling turds
3 three French tarts
2 total twats
and Goldsmith in a tiz-zy.
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Just to be clear. Anyone who is a red, green, silver, black, pink, blue, blue/black, red/yellow, or even a polkadoc can book our apartment in Val Thorens for a Holiday.
Also, if they email me a video of their skiing at the end of the week I will allocate each member of the party a special colour. I will start making the badges tonight.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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AND a chalet pimp for the 3 French tarts.
Gold
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PJSki, safe to say I dont do SH ring licking - Im sure admin has an effigy of me and its not of the blow up kind!
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