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Tall and heavy (ish)

 Poster: A snowHead
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I have been wondering about ski lenghts for the taller heavier man. I am looking at getting some White dot Directors 188cm, but before I jump in I have been wondering if I should be looking for something a bit bigger?

I know it's not just about ski length, width also plays a factor, but it seem that if you are 5'11" and 85kg the 188cm would be about right (or could be right) , I'm 6'5" and 100kgs, surely my size a weigh will have a effect on the ski.. should I be looking for something longer /bigger

I will be testing before I buy, but I am interested if I just have to go with it as ski's are not made for people like me, sure they work, but they are designed around more "normal" sized people...

I'm a good skier happy on all terrain, technical more than agressive - looking for a 80/20 off piste / on piste ski... this is not really a question specifically about the white dots more ski size in general.

for example should I try and hunt out a wide 195cm ski - do such things exist?
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BenAS,
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should I try and hunt out a wide 195cm ski - do such things exist?
rolling eyes

Yes, they are called a 'teleboard' (google it) and just stick with the directors . . . great ski and you can spend a lifetime learning to enjoy them
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There are bigger skis out there, lots of the indie brands, and I think Rossi do some 195s.

You should be looking for stiffer things rather than just length though.
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Have you looked at the Deborah Scaffoldboard? Should come in your length. Madeye-Smiley

http://www.deborahservices.co.uk/hire_sales_division.htm
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Masque - Interesting, I saw a few teleboards over in Canada, looks like a hard way to enjoy the slopes, but I was intrigued.

Clarky999 - Good point about going for a stiffer ski. I want to love the Directors (and I'm sure I will) but I was interested to know if What people thought to looking for a different ski for the "larger gent"!
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Mollerski wrote:
Have you looked at the Deborah Scaffoldboard? Should come in your length. Madeye-Smiley

http://www.deborahservices.co.uk/hire_sales_division.htm


Hehehe rolling eyes
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BenAS, When a teleboard goes right . . . it's sublime . . . on the other hand put a fat old numpty on one . . . I live but to entertain Embarassed

Actually I've been looking at your stats. You're tall but not particularly heavy . . . so bio-mechanically your joints are subject to much greater leverage stresses than us fat arѕed stumpies. The last thing you need is long skis to match your height. You need to go short and fat to stay safe. Stiffness is a matter of your aggression. The Redeemer Carbons are probably perfect and will last you for years without you ever approaching their limits and at your weight (unless you're actually chasing powder) the 180's rather than the 190's

Best skis for fun I've ever had were 160's and getting under 100kg has always been an issue Evil or Very Mad Yes I run long skis for my height 5'7" (I'm shrinking . . . it's an age thing, or a fat thing, . . . or a 'I can remember when I was a tall Adonis thing) but these days I telemark and I don't exert anything like the torsional stresses on my joints that alpine technique does. Go shorter and fatter, stay safe.
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BenAS, I'll do a you a deal on some Dynastar XXLs i a 194. Long fat and stiff - suits you sir Wink
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Masque,


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BenAS wrote:
for example should I try and hunt out a wide 195cm ski - do such things exist?


If you're prepared to pay a few more pennies to import some, sure. Go have a look at on3p, they do a fine line of big, fat, stiff skis. Praxis will also do you an extra stiff flex version of their models (and I have a discount code lying around for them if you're interested Wink )
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DB, I do see his point but in reality I can ski alpine technique in tele bindings as quickly as anyone apart from the complete nutters and there is NO BETTER feeling than running pure carved turns in tele mode . . . and the day that I can carve a switch tele turn I might even get lucky and laid!

It's as close to snowboarding as two skis can get Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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DB, this doesn't help the OP much Puzzled Short and fat or long and rockered?
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You can get Gotamas in 194
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Ragnaroks come in a 194 and you can get the Movement Super Turbo in a 202. Very different skis to the Director though. I'd be surprised if Dynastar aren't still knocking out somethng big & macho.
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You'll be fine on 188s. I'm 6'4, 100kg and have tested a ton of skis now, and tbh length/width/stiffness is much more relevant to the way you want to ski than your size. Going 195 and stiff because you think you need it will result in an unwieldy, hard to turn ski that you may dislike unless you're wanting to straightline crud at full speed. Rocker, stiffness, and length is just something you can tailor to preference - if you don't have a reference point you're better off demoing. Ski sizing is pretty much entirely based on the result you want from the ski. Stuff like the (old) 194 Dynastar Legend Pro or XXL are really really niche.
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Masque wrote:
DB, this doesn't help the OP much Puzzled Short and fat or long and rockered?


It's all about technique he should get a pair of these ....

http://easyloungin.com/forum/topic.php?bb_attachments=120103&bbat=8456&inline

Others to consider ....
Kästle BMX 108 195cm
Blizzard Sport Cochise 193 cm
Atomic Bent Chetler 192 cm
Dynastar Legend Pro Rider 105 192cm
Stöckli Sport Stormrider 110 TT 192cm
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DB wrote:
Masque wrote:
DB, this doesn't help the OP much Puzzled Short and fat or long and rockered?


It's all about technique he should get a pair of these ....

http://easyloungin.com/forum/topic.php?bb_attachments=120103&bbat=8456&inline

It's obvious that you've been sniffing burning wax fumes again rolling eyes

Technique is one thing but why should he go long . . . aesthetics?
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Thanks for the responses, I am going to test a few skis before buying, I have checked with the guys at Whitedot and there is a place in I'm going that I can demo/hire them from, and Jon (from the piste office) has given me a great quote...

I am also learning telemark this season, to start with on a old pair of Lines, but i have asked Jon to quote for Quiver killers so i can mount the two bindings on the new ski I will buy (i've checked and this is possible!).

i am hoping that I can try half a dozen of so ski's before purchasing ( I am interested in the the redeemers as well as the directors in the white dot range). I think i know what type of ski I like, I am really after something that is more off piste biased, but needs to be able to cope with crud/crust but it will be fun to spend a day of two really testing and getting to learn a bit about skis....

Love to try a bit of Teleboarding.....
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BenAS, good luck with the tele. As for the board, the learning curve is not just steep . . . more of an overhang. It's a lot of fun but you need a young man's quads and an adolescent's weight to last a week on one.
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Masque wrote:
Technique is one thing but why should he go long . . . aesthetics?


I once went for a wider and stiffer but shorter ski, ended up just nose diving in the powder.

Nowadays so many skis have some type of rocker / turned up ends it's hard to compare skis by their length. Looks like BenAS is doing the right thing and testing skis of different lengths and stiffness to see what he likes.

What's next for you Masque after teleboarding, Skateboading?
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DB, been there, fallen off that. Kite boarding looks fun Twisted Evil
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Pontoon goes to 189. Plenty long enough for yer man. wink
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Masque wrote:
DB, been there, fallen off that. Kite boarding looks fun Twisted Evil



It's got your name written all over it .......



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DB, does, doesn't it Twisted Evil
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I did a week of kite surfing, I crashed a lot, I can't imagine learning on a hard surface....
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OK - so we're a few years on since my first post, but I thought I would give you an update, and I hope this might help someone else in my position.

OK -so good news I'm now only 90kgs. Smile

I bought the 189cm Whitedot Preacher as my go to every day ski - it is great, I still use it today. However I did double mount (using Quiver killers) marker Dukes and G3 targa telemark bindings. With the Dukes this ski is awesome. I also have the Redeemers 190cm for really deep snow, but often I find I can't be bothered to move the bindings over and ski the preacher on powder days - it is again awesome for this. It is a great one ski quiver. a little heavy and wide for big tours - but that is not really what is was designed for - fine for single day tours - suck it up on the up hills and you smash the downs, but multi day tour; not so much fun.

However, and I'll admit this is a little niche, it is not a great telemark ski - it is just too fat and big. I am now a telemark instructor and wish I had not tried to learn on the Preacher, I managed but probably made things harder than needed. Get a smaller (narrow) ski if you are wanting to learn - it might be fine if you mount it with NTN tele bindings, but not 75mm - the ski is just too big; go thinner and softer.

So in short. would I change it. No not for downhill or side tours, but for tele - yes. if I have to pick a one ski quiver for what I do - would this be it - probably not, but that is only because I am telemarking and touring more. but this is still a fantastic ski. the 189 is good length, if there was a 195cm I would prefer that, but that is again a little niche - if you're tall and heavy and a good down hill skiier who can properly carve a fat ski you will love this as a down hill set up.
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@BenAS, good on you for coming back with the update - it's a great write up.
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Yes thanks for the feedback.

Just out of interest - what tele/touring skis do you prefer/use.
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How did you decide on the Directors?

For 80/20 off to on piste I'd look at the Preacher or one of the wider skis in the range.

Probably worth a chat with Jon at the Piste Office, he has given me some really good ski advice over the years and knows the Whitedots inside out.

I've tried a lot of skis in recent years and just keep coming back to Whitedot. They seem to defy what is possible for a ski of whatever particular width, weight or length they are up against.

Also I don't consider 100kg to be particularly big for someone at 6ft5, but would look at stiffness before worrying too much about serious length - the longest skis in the range will probably do the job for you, and despite various posts here there is such a thing as a ski which is too long.

Oktober Ski Test at Hemel and Manchester should have Whitedots, so I'd get there to give it a spin.

Edit - just seen the latest post, I guess advice still stands for others looking at the same decision and clearly you worked out the same thing I did before buying the Preacher!
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I'm about the same size and weight as you.
When I started skiing thirty years ago I was put on 210s and the carver revolution reduced that dramatically.

Longer skis are more cumbersome, heavier and a pain in the backside to carry about on planes and in cars.
Modern technology means you don't need a long ski to get stability and control at speed. I wouldn't go on anything longer than a 180. There's just no point unless you're downhill racing
I ski on hybrid Salomons which are light yet rigid.

The other thing to consider these days is that people often have two or more sets of skis - one for on piste and one for off. What type of skiing are you going to be doing.

I honestly think long skis are only really good for bashing other people with as you try and get in and out of lifts and navigate queues and hotel steps etc.
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6 ft 5in and 100 kg. The only thing you need lad is........ pies.
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@Frosty the Snowman,
Exactly, tall[ish] maybe wink
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I'm 5'9" and 76kg and found the Bent Chetler in 185cm perfect, I use them for touring too. If you can get a chance to demo the 192's then grab it. I also demo'd the Whitedot Ragnaroks at the EOSB and really rated them, for a 193cm heavy stiff ski they were surprisingly good fun in slushy bumps, you could do very quick turns by unweighting or just cut each bump in half like Moses parting the Red Sea Toofy Grin
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If you want a real big boy ski... http://www.downskis.com/shop/showdown-105-2016

Way too scary for me I think!
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