 Poster: A snowHead
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I have moved this across from the other thread on stopping in bumps as I am really curious.
mogulski (who is a bumps comp judge) made a comment about carving in modern comp bumps technique.
I found this rather unusual as although I am not a comp bumps skier (well, no longer, although it was just the once and ended rather ungloriously), bumps are my third favourite thing after steep deep powder and steep, just_on_the_right_moment spring snow and are my regular go to things in the absence of the above.
I just cannot see how you can argue that you carve turns while zip lining (well, I can, but only just)
Anyway, here's what the FIS wiki has to say.
Turns:
Five judges independently evaluate the competitor’s turns based on the following points of criteria:
Fall Line: Skiing in the fall line is considered the shortest way from the start to the finish. To achieve the maximum points for fall line, the competitor should stay in the selected fall line out of the start gate.
Carving: All turns should be initiated by carving. Carving means efficient use of edging to control speed in and out of the turn throughout the whole run. Carving is the result of correctly-timed weight shifting.
Absorption and Extension: The skier should follow the shape of the mogul through absorption from the start until the top of the mogul. Extension starts right after the top of the mogul and follows the shape of the mogul. Pressure between skis and snow should remain the same during absorption and extension, absorbing as the skier moves up and extending as the skier moves down. Additionally, the skier should aggressively utilize the moguls to assist initiation of turns, rather than waiting for the moguls.
Upper Body: The head should remain still, facing downhill. The chest should also stay straight and natural. Hands stay in front of the body in a natural position.
So.... while I would never presume to question the collective wisdom of the august FIS, the carving comment doesn't really make any sense to me. (The rest of course, does, completely).
Discuss?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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carving seems to have a pretty broad/strange definition
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Arno, my thoughts exactly
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
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under a new name, the judges are (as I read the rules) looking for edge control, not simply flat skis sliding IMHO
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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kitenski, but is that carving a turn?
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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under a new name, I'd have to see some video......carving can be many things....
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The new FIS judge manual has a section all about carving. Sorry I can't copy the pages in here as its a pdf and I can't copy it.
Look at http://www.fot.ch/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Judges-Handbook-2012.pdf page 17 onwards. There is a diagram to show what should happen to the skis. This is all new descriptions for this season that we are all discussing at the current training sessions. I think there is 1 more training in China next week and then all FIS freestyle judges will have attended training and be ready for the new season.
If you sit and watch all the videos like we do in training you do get to see who is /isn't carving. But this is all for competition bump skiing. As I have already said to ski the bumps you find on the piste pivot and slide is how most people do it. It is very rare to find nicely formed, regular bumps on a piste in a ski resort. Many people who ski them end up traversing, do GS turns or snowboarders go down. It means they usully end up a strange shape and not in regular lines. Skiing a competition rut line is very specialised skiing and not what BASI etc are looking for. (although my ex mogul WC competitor son passed his all BASI bumps tests no problem)
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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mogulski, Ta. Will read with interest.
I wouldbe amazed if your son'scomp capabilities wouldn't be vulgarised into passing a mere recreational test 
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So as per the FIS judge's manual, technically, my technique of ignoring the bumps and plowing in a straight line, bounding from peak to peak, mashing them into oblivion is actually OK as long as I keep my head level? Sweet! When's the next competition?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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If you plow in a straight line right down the course your turns score will be zero. You could get some airs and speed points but as turns make up 50% of score I doubt you will get a medal!!!!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Dammit! I knew there was a catch ......
My problem with moguls used to be catching the back of my skis on the mogul behind me as I tried to angle the turn in the dips. I've had a few lessons but I seem to have developed a shocking technique which seems to (sort of) work for me but causes instructors to faint. I really should go back and try and sort it all out sometime THEN win medals. However, I am not sure I have an 'Easter bunny on steroids and PCP' inside me....{sigh}
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