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We are in Talloire , lac Annecy for a few days , early am flight to Geneva, hoping to catch some skiing on way, can anyone recommend somewhere , reasonably enroute, does not need to be a mega resort, will be there for one day
Thanks
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dublin2, when?
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7 Dec , Pam
And one other questions, have not flown to Geneva before :
Is it the French side of geneva airport that has ski equipped hire cars or Swiss
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It's the Swiss side which will have snow tyres. I can't think of anywhere near that route which will have skiing on 7 December - most resorts, even a good way off the route, won't be open then.
You would need to do some serious driving to get to an open resort that early in the month. Not practicable for a day, en route to the airport, really.
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Hmm, I would have said Jura, but they don't open until 22nd Dec (http://www.monts-jura.com/en/welcome/index.php). I don't personally know any others close to Annecy or Geneva that would be open that early. Edit - just saw their website says thet might open early if there's enough snow - but that's a very long shot that early.
The swiss side has the winterisation included - it's swiss law past a certain date (15th Nov?). French side you have to book and pay separetly.
Edit 2 - Ooops, pam w beat me to it
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There may be a partial opening at Chamonix if conditions are suitable, but other than that nowhere else I can think of will be open I'm afraid, and Chamonix isn't that close to Annecy. Avoriaz for example doesn't start its season until Dec 15th, and that is usually one of the early ones
And yes +1 regarding it being the Swiss side for winter tyres, etc
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Ok Thanks Folks, if no where is open that early, we may to have take a rain-check. However if there is extensive early season snow, we may be in luck
We are heading over anyway, so if can ski it's a bonus, but not a show-stopper
Fixx
Is Jura the name of the ski resort
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La Clusaz might be open but that is the only place that springs to mind.
Andy
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La Clusaz might be open but that is the only place that springs to mind.
Andy
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Is Jura the name of the ski resort
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It is the name of the mountain Range that boarders part of France and Switzerland, lower and less snow sure than the Alps, but much cheaper and very different experience.
There is a great piece in the current Aer lingus Cara magazine about a ski trip there if you know someone flying who can grab you a copy.
Not exactly on the way but Tignes is about another 90 minutes from Annecy and will be open but quite the drive down.
Failing that you could come to the Ski Club of Ireland when we get our traditional early season powder day for your snow fix
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Les Rousses is one of the main ski areas in the Jura. It'd be surprising if they had much snow then, and more surprising if they were open on a Friday. Some local areas will be open at weekends, if there's enough snow, in early December.
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La Clusaz and Le Grand Bornand (25-30 mins drive from Talloire) will be open at weekends in early Dec providing there is enough snow. They are nor scheduled to open permanently until later in the month.
Alternatively you could head south to a high resort such as Val Thorens - about 1.45hrs from Talloire - which is almost certain to be open.
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Chamonix is an hour from Talloires but the normal areas won't be open. La Clusaz is only 25 mins but unlikely that it will be open in my opinion, but you never know. You might get lucky with the weather. There is also Le Semnoz just above Annecy which might be open. The Swiss side has equipped cars but it is a lot more expensive than hiring from the French side in my experience. If you can't get to a ski resort drive to Yvoire, it is really pretty and a good day trip...
Val Thorens will be definitely open or Tignes if you are desperate...
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks Folks, excellent info here
Hi Pam
Does Notre Dame, and the ski Dimant area ever open early, if good conditions about ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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dublin2, Les Saisies (part of) will be open weekends from early December, but no chance at all on a Friday, judging from past experience, even if there are metres of snow. Rven at the weekend, if you were going to drive that far, you'd be better driving another 30 minutes or so and getting to Val Thorens, which will have more open and almost certainly more snow, being so high.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Le Grand Bornand - 25 mins from Talloire - will be open over the weekend of 8/9 Dec - when they hold their annual ski test - all the major ski brands are present and you can ski fro free on different skis throughout the day (for free). Definitely worth going to.
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You'll need to keep an eye on the website near the time, and don't rely on it. They might open a drag or two early-season snow permitting, but scheduled opening is either the 15th or 22nd. Bit of a schlep from Talloires too as you're at the wrong end of, and at the wrong side of, the lake - which is a rather large obstacle as far as driving is concerned.
From Talloires, you could also see if Seythenex/Sambuy is open. It's just a short drive east through Faverges. Again, check the website nearer the time.
La Balme at La Clusaz is the most likely hill to open. Allow at least 45 minutes to get there on a weekday, and allow at least an hour at the weekend, as all the Annecy riff raff like me will be on the same road as you once you get to around Alex or Thones. Follow signes to 'Les Confins' from La Clusaz to get the big car park at the base of the lift there.
Not sure why people are describing La Clusaz or Grand Bo as being 25 minutes from Talloires. You'd never ever do it in 25 minutes, ever.
The only thing skiable within 25 minutes of Talloires is Montmin, which I believe is a single-drag-lift-with-two-ways-down setup. Worth it for an hour or two if you're desparate, and the kind of place that opens 'when it can' rather than to scheduled dates. Definitely don't rely on this one!
On balance, if it's open, your best compromise between journey time and worthwhileness, would be Seythenex. IF it's open.
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The swiss side has the winterisation included - it's swiss law past a certain date (15th Nov?). French side you have to book and pay separetly.
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Last February some of my mates came over, booked a car from the Swiss side of GVA, and had to pay extra for a 'Winter Pack' which included snow tyres and chains. 14 quid for a long weekend. That was via Holiday Autos, so I'm not 100% sure which actual vendor it ended up being.
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I've heard of that before - but it's a bit of a scam. If they said now I think they would have magically found the car already had snow tyres on (that's the compulsory bit) and chains in the boot. At least that's been my experience occasionally with car from the airport.
Good point though - always worth checking with the company when booking.
I'll see if I can find the actual law as well somewhere, might be handy to have printed out when visiting the airport
Edit: sorry, no actual law - the AA has a good summary here: http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/snow-chains-winter-tyres.html
So if you don't have the right tyres/equipment you could be subject to a fine, which is why they're pretty much taken as mandatory here. As before, I always check when booking, but I've always had it included when booking from the swiss side at the airport (or much more frquently for me, in town).
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fixx, also, if you are in an accident when there's ice or snow around and you don't have snow tyres on, it's apparently then your liability.
I am afraid that I'm going to suggest that very few places will be open Dec 9 - it's way too early.
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fixx wrote: |
So if you don't have the right tyres/equipment you could be subject to a fine. |
Thus giving car hire companies carte blanche to charge you extra for them.
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Someone posted about the extra charges a couple of years ago. Did the whole argument about "the tyres are on there anyway" and got absolutely nowhere. It was politely suggested he was very welcome to go and hire a car somewhere else. The Swiss are not known for their flexibility. You need to establish exactly what the costs are at the outset, and if it mentions extra for winter equipment, you either have to pay it or try another supplier.
Sometimes it's included, therefore not mentioned, therefore nobody gets their knickers in a twist before heading off on a holiday where the additional car hire charge for winter tyres is just a drop in the ocean.
I have NOT found a consistent price difference in favour of the French side - it varies between suppliers and even between vehicle types with the same supplier. On the French side you might not even get chains. Even if you have asked for them at the time of booking and are perfectly willing to pay.
Actually, come to think of it, you won't always get chains on Swiss side either. I spent an hour one Friday evening a few years ago helping some people with 2 Swiss hired cars. I had seen a horrendous snow forecast and warned them they'd probably need the chains for their early start, and to get them on the night before. We got the first set on, and the driver of the second car discovered he didn't have any and had to buy in resort - a scramble before the shops shut. Next morning there were huge snowfalls and they reckon they'd have had no chance without the chains. But the car firm did refund the cost of the chains, as they should have supplied them.
It would be very bad luck to be involved in an accident. Much more likely that you'll just be prevented from driving up to a resort unless you have chains (as well as snow tyres if it's an ordinary car). This happens when there's a lot of snow on a busy day.
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Hi Folks
Just wondering in any resorts near Annecy apart from Val thorens will be open Dec 7
We are trying to avoid a long snowey drive from Talliores to VT on Friday, a lot of which is at altitude
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dublin2, Above Chamonix, the Grands Montets will be open on December 8.
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There's a good chance of all sorts of places opening a cheeky lift or two on the 8th and 9th including La Clusaz which is only a 12 minute drive away!
For Friday the 7th though, you need resorts that are actually 'open' in the normal sense of the word, not just opportunistic weekend pre-ouverture.
Val Thorens is probably the closest (90 minutes if you absolutely spank it and the roads are clear). Other than that it's Tignes really (getting on for 2 hours). Nowhere else springs to mind that is close enough to bear as a day out, unless you're very tolerant of road trips.
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Thanks Mr Piehole
Will be heading to la Clusaz, Grand Bornard or Les Saises, sat 8th, which ever has more pistes open.
Trying to avoid the chaos you saw in LA Clusaz (La Balme), with very few pistes open last weekend
Friday the 7th , only leaves Val T, as there is heavy snow forecast, could be a very long drive, will have snow tyres and chains, but it will be slow
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Crest-Volland would be your colsest best bet.
La Clusaz is a cool place to go to. Local.
When in Talloire do not forget to sample the local gastronomy !!!
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Thats a good idea re Crest Voland, cant see any mention of it being open on the web, will ring them
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With limited opening it will be a bit of scrum pretty much anywhere!
Thing about Val T is that unless you're actually driving during the snowfall, the road will be kept pretty decent - and you only have to get as far as the Boismint chairlift carpark not all the way into town. Chances are it might not be as bad as you think it is.
Dec 8th is opening day for various other bits of the 3Vs also. Since you're already at the tip of the lake, it's not very much farther to e.g. Brides Les Bains than it is to La Balme! Probably do it in an hour in good traffic, or an hour and a quarter to e.g. St Martin de Belleville.
Meanwhile it's a good 45 minutes to La Balme and easily an hour to Saisies...
Anyway, Saturday you'll have all sorts of choice. Friday is the dodgy one, and Val T is the only sensible option imho.
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dublin2, I'd go the extra couple of miles to Les Saisies, even if Crest Voland has a bit open (which I doubt). There's really going to be quite a lot open in LS, including the fast Covetan lift which has a nice red run and a brand new blue one, which goes through a tunnel - we saw them building it in October. The Chamois chair feeds a good red/black area (with some nice betweenandbesides off piste, too.
I'd be surprised if it's a scrum - do report back if you give it a go. There's plenty of parking. But yes, an hour from Talloires - more, if the Gorge d'Arly is closed and you have to go via Villard sur Doron (not actually a very good idea, that, given the amount of snow which looks like falling.
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and whatever you do, don't follow a satnav up along the winding road from Ugine to Bisanne 1500 - the top part of that road is closed all winter.
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Thanks Pam
Good point will be relying on sat nav, not familar with area
Looking at google maps
D1508 and D71A
Ugine
Cohennoz
Crest, then d71a a to Les Saises
Is this the best way ?
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dublin1, not Cohennoz - that is up on the higher road, D71. There are two options. One is what you suggest, going through Crest Voland. The other is to carry on along the main road towards Megeve etc until you pick up the signposting up to Notre Dame de Bellecombe and Les Saisies. Very little to choose - the latter is a bit smoother, bit longer, just a couple of minutes more according to Google. I think if road conditions are bad I'd go for that one.
The important thing is to take the signposting to Megeve at Ugine - through the Gorge - and not be tempted to turn right up the road just past the huge factory, probably signposted Col de la Forclaz and Cohennoz. That's quite a good option in summer but completely impassable in winter.
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The important thing is to take the signposting to Megeve at Ugine - through the Gorge - and not be tempted to turn right up the road just past the huge factory, probably signposted Col de la Forclaz and Cohennoz. That's quite a good option in summer but completely impassable in winter. |
I've been that way to get to Beaufort and the Cormet de Roselend a couple of months ago. Pretty hairy even in summer!
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Thanks folks for all the info, praying the snow is lite on Friday, so we can drive to VT at at a reasonable pace
Will head to either Les Saises or la Clusaz (or possibly Grand Bornard) , sat, depending on where has most slopes open
Checking the webcams here from a very green Dublin, and they all look impressive
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Indeed. And because some of it is just a forestry road, not a proper "classified" one it is sometimes shut for logging operations. Also plenty of Savoyard hunters, myrtille pickers and mushroom gatherers and up there. It's a roundabout route to the Cormet de Roselend, from Annecy! There are at least four different Cols de la Forclaz in the area - it's confusing.
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It's a roundabout route to the Cormet de Roselend, from Annecy! |
Yeah, it was a road-trip exploring day out
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The Arly Gorge, this morning:
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Mr Piehole, Ah! They do say that that stretch of road is the most costly to maintain, in the whole of France. I scarcely ever drive it because the turn up to Les Saisies, coming from Sallanches/Megeve is just before the gates that they close across the road when stuff like that happens. Is there an easy way to check online whether the road is open? I've never needed to look, but for some of the weekend skiing proposed above it would be sensible to check.
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