 Poster: A snowHead
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| fatbob wrote: |
In other news - how do you feel about these guys - even got the teardrop shaped logo, when I saw them in teh slush & rubble catalogue I first thought you were doing a retailer exclusive
http://www.white-doctor.com/en/ |
Wow!!! I thought this was an April fool at first! Straightforward Passing off no?
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mishmash, I don't know, I really don't.
I mean use of the word white as part of a business name in the snow sports industry is hardly unique to us, nor is the teardrop as a logo shape (twitter/facebook/pc world/alpine transfer co's all use it).
But on the other hand a ski company, with white in the name (suddenly) and using the teardrop (albeit the other way up), on a range of 'no gimmick/nanotech' skis; I do think I've seen that concept before.
So come on: I know there are snowHeads who hang in SC, someone must know Bob, are we being cynical?
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stuarth, I bet those Ragnarok coloured cards are super stiff, perfect for slipping locks 
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
| .....Utterly horrid on tough hardpack or ice - simply too chattery and unstable. The problem with the latter is that the edge design (no bevel - just straight sandwiching of the laminate ski and steel edge) means that giving them anything less than a 90 degree angle isn't easy..... |
Whitedot's were originally spec'd to have a 3 degree side edge (as per the label on the ski) but the production was shipped by the factory with a 1 - which is a shame as their build quality in all other respects is excellent.
However it's really easy sort them for great edge hold on hardpack. If you DIY tune then a quick trim back of the sidewall & reset the side edge angle to 3 dgrees (=87) & you're good to go or take them to a decent shop (  ) & get 'em to do it for you. |
Jon - you read my mind! Going to spend a weekend tuning them nicely before heading to Tahoe, to get a nice 3 degree magic angle. I think it will transform them on the hard stuff (which may be what I'll be getting early season in Tahoe - doubt it will be too powdery in mid December unless they have a really good early snowfall...)
However, while I'm reasonably confident tuning my skis (having followed your excellent guides, practised on some old skis, and sucessfully tuning my White Dots for my summer freeski camp) - but I have to admit that trimming the sidewall is daunting, due to the design. It would involve cutting away quite a lot of material, as the sidewall is basically convex, then a straight line to the edgs. Not sure I'm confident hacking them that much...
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
mishmash, I don't know, I really don't.
I mean use of the word white as part of a business name in the snow sports industry is hardly unique to us, nor is the teardrop as a logo shape (twitter/facebook/pc world/alpine transfer co's all use it).
But on the other hand a ski company, with white in the name (suddenly) and using the teardrop (albeit the other way up), on a range of 'no gimmick/nanotech' skis; I do think I've seen that concept before.
So come on: I know there are snowHeads who hang in SC, someone must know Bob, are we being cynical? |
Have you read this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_off - it seems pretty close to me. Teardrop, Name, Left/Right design line
I d be drafting my letter to S&R now and commissioning an independent "Mystery Shopper" survey... The test looks to me like a punter walks in and asks : do you stock a brand of ski called Whitedot?
what do you think the snow and rock sales guy says next???
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midgetbiker, Yes... I'm looking forward to giving a good bash. Many thanks...It's a credit to your company to have such positive things said by everyone on here. Keep up the good work.
And thanks to everyone for the informative discussion... 
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
Jon - you read my mind! Going to spend a weekend tuning them nicely before heading to Tahoe, to get a nice 3 degree magic angle. I think it will transform them on the hard stuff (which may be what I'll be getting early season in Tahoe - doubt it will be too powdery in mid December unless they have a really good early snowfall...)
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It's never too powdery in Tahoe - too coastal for that but you can get 2 foot accumulations easily in 24 hours. The only deathpack I've ever skied there is on the WROD last year during the epic drought - most locals were definitely not skiing.
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Harry Flashman, I took a trip to Jon's a couple of weeks ago and among the jobs he did was trimming the sidewalls and resetting the edge angles on 3 new pairs of skis. I'll be fine keeping them at 3 degrees.
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
| But on the other hand a ski company, with white in the name (suddenly) and using the teardrop (albeit the other way up), on a range of 'no gimmick/nanotech' skis; I do think I've seen that concept before. |
On the bright side, they're only selling boring conventionally shaped skis in boring conventional colours. Doubt there would be a "Manager" 5-point ski in fuchsia any time soon 
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| Serriadh wrote: |
| midgetbiker wrote: |
| But on the other hand a ski company, with white in the name (suddenly) and using the teardrop (albeit the other way up), on a range of 'no gimmick/nanotech' skis; I do think I've seen that concept before. |
On the bright side, they're only selling boring conventionally shaped skis in boring conventional colours. Doubt there would be a "Manager" 5-point ski in fuchsia any time soon |
yeah, precisely, sort of.
I mean I'm not dissing their skis, I've never tried them but I'm sure they work well, within the confines of what they are....
And I (personally) love our 'branding', our name, and the 'designed' look of our skis.....
But, I also like to think that people buy from us primarily because of the skis: The way they ski; the construction; the technical design elements; the quality; the pro rider led development.
So...........
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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midgetbiker, just a point about your website.
Why do you have a front page where you have to choose the language of the site when there is only one language available? It's not very clear that this is what it's for.
If you've only got one language, I'd suggest you go straight to the english version home page. If you have more languages coming along later, then deal with it when they are going live.
Just a thought.
Love your skis, and your brand. 
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shoogly, point taken.
The other languages are coming as the distributors translate their regions, but I agree the front page is not totally intuitive.
Maybe we just need to add the words 'please select your region'?
It's kind of hard to find the time to do anything but organise ski shipments at the moment. Dual tasking right now, cheese butty left hand, one finger typing right hand.
on that theme apologies to anyone who had their smartphone by the bed last night and was woken by an email from me at 1am  (and no I'm not currently in another time zone).
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You know it makes sense.
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Swadster,
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(maybe Paradiski?)
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You wern't 'cos I was skiing Whitedots in Les Arcs last year and will be again in Feb '13!
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I don't know, I guess we start to get worried when they go for the shorter: White Doc. Still they say imitation is.............
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or for your lawyer now - that's a potential passing off action if ever I saw one.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
| Serriadh wrote: |
| midgetbiker wrote: |
| But on the other hand a ski company, with white in the name (suddenly) and using the teardrop (albeit the other way up), on a range of 'no gimmick/nanotech' skis; I do think I've seen that concept before. |
On the bright side, they're only selling boring conventionally shaped skis in boring conventional colours. Doubt there would be a "Manager" 5-point ski in fuchsia any time soon |
yeah, precisely, sort of.
I mean I'm not dissing their skis, I've never tried them but I'm sure they work well, within the confines of what they are....
And I (personally) love our 'branding', our name, and the 'designed' look of our skis.....
But, I also like to think that people buy from us primarily because of the skis: The way they ski; the construction; the technical design elements; the quality; the pro rider led development.
So........... |
I would be interested in a ski like their FT8 (118-74-104 in a 170-175 cm length) with your technology and topsheet.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Mike Pow, maybe we should just copy it then
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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^ waits for this post to be used in an upcoming lawsuit
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grr and double grr, not that one obviously the one above it 
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tiffin,
say my name, say my name ..... (with apologies to Beyonce - dont' sue me, O bouncy one)
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stuarth, I bet those Ragnarok coloured cards are super stiff, perfect for slipping locks
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wouldn't that mean they handle like barges??????
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One pair of Preachers, one pair of Redeemers and some days I think I'm God.
I'm getting treatment but it doesn't always work that well...
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midgetbiker, I still think you should extend your range with names more appropriate to your users:
The Desk Jockey
The Cubicle Monkey
etc
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| fatbob wrote: |
midgetbiker, I still think you should extend your range with names more appropriate to your users:
The Desk Jockey
The Cubicle Monkey
etc |
"The Forum Troll"
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| fatbob wrote: |
midgetbiker, I still think you should extend your range with names more appropriate to your users:
The Desk Jockey
The Cubicle Monkey
etc |
Well the name for the next one (you know, the red one with the forked tail) is set, but we'll bare those suggestions in mind for the future.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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midgetbiker, Just dont call them Savilles!! (will avoid any lude comments here about tail and forking etc) 
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You know it makes sense.
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
| Well the name for the next one (you know, the red one with the forked tail) is set, ....... |
Wait, wait; let me guess 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Mosha Marc wrote: |
| midgetbiker wrote: |
| Well the name for the next one (you know, the red one with the forked tail) is set, ....... |
Wait, wait; let me guess |
Nope your wrong, false trail and all that.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The Despot?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The Dictator would be a great name...
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The Hamsa............. likely quite a hooky ski?
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Dammit.
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From the Snow & Rock web site
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After 20 years working with the top French ski brands, Eric ‘Bob’ Bobrowicz created Ride Doctor, a new ski brand based in Serre Chevalier.
It was his belief that there was a gap in the market for people who wanted to do things differently: build REAL skis for REAL skiers at a REAL price.
Now called White Doctor , Bob has just released his fifth collection of skis and here at Snow + Rock we’re delighted to bring you his brand exclusively in the UK. |
So seems like 4 winters as Ride Doctor and one winter as White Doctor.
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Want to try them in Tignes? Snowpark, Rue de la Poste, Le Lac , ask for Regise. Has most on test.
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So seems like 4 winters as Ride Doctor and one winter as White Doctor.
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actually that is grain to the 'passing off' mill. Changing your name to 'near' a competitors makes it sooooooo much harder to argue that you had never heard of their name previously AND that no one suggested to you that it might be a tad too similar. There's also the question of WhiteDot having protected their name and image. If they have (and I feel sure they would have done so) the good 'Doctor' had access to public information which he should have checked. Ignorance is no excuse.
meh, Iceland, Japan and this season's WD Redeemers ................I'm stuck on the project from hell that won't let release my tender parts from it's iron, toothy grip ................ I frickin h8 you, you total and utter barsteward!! 
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