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Some chat on a different thread got me thinking about long drag lifts. I wondered where the longest actually is? (in Europe) And how long, time wise (excluding delays due to breakdowns and accidents  , ) it actually is?
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CaravanSkier, The Hochfleiss T-bar in Heiligenblut, Carinthia rises 432 metres vertical (1420 feet). It runs along an exposed face and tops out at 2902 metres. I've been on it and am happy to confirm it is very long and tedious and chilly.
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Never skied there but fantastic place in summer, great setting for the village.
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The one up the glacier at Les Deux Alpes is the longed I've been on I think. Nackered by the time I reached the summit!
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La Ros back to La Thuile stands out in my mind. Not only long, but over a windy col in the middle of absolutely nowhere, with long sections along the flat. If you bungle it, not only are you nowhere near a piste, you're not even anywhere near a hill.
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Siviez in 4V likes a drag or 10, been on some monsters there............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Ricklovesthepowder, Mr Piehole, Markymark29, you guys need to supply stats. You just can't go around saying I think mine's longer than yours. I managed to find the vertical for my example and I am trying to find the length. Come on!
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The La Ros to La Thuile is actually two button lifts. That's 25 minutes of my life I will never get back...
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Valtournanche- Cervinia. 
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The Bellecombe I and II combination button lifts in La Rosière are 1.7km and 1.1km respectively.
Mollerski, the one in Cervinia is nowhere near as long but it is baffling why there is a longish button lift on one side and the shortest chairlift ever on the other side.
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La Ros back to La Thuile stands out in my mind. Not only long, but over a windy col in the middle of absolutely nowhere, with long sections along the flat. If you bungle it, not only are you nowhere near a piste, you're not even anywhere near a hill.
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THIS!!!
Also some of it goes downhill. A very nerve-wracking experience for a snowboarder with only 2 days on snow.... 
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Ricklovesthepowder, Mr Piehole, Markymark29, you guys need to supply stats. You just can't go around saying I think mine's longer than yours. I managed to find the vertical for my example and I am trying to find the length. Come on! |
There is a 500m rise between Combatseline and Greppon Blanc - and that's a drag tow - although the actual drag maybe shorter.
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You know it makes sense.
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there is one, or maybe its two joined, in zermatt that goes from the base of the gondola up to plateaur rosa (I think it is) very long drag
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One in Saas fee is the longest I've been on, its only up the side of a blue on the glacier but its very very long and get pretty tiresome and boring when its freezing cold!
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Just another thing we have to thank snowboarders for, the dramatic decline of the drag lift. 
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Thank you Bode Swiller, some interesting information on that thread.
Gosh there are obviously some quite unpleasant drags out there.
Love it Kelski!
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the one in Cervinia is nowhere near as long .[/quote]
Bloody cold when the wind is whipping across there though. 
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Mollerski, I wouldn't know about that. It was +18º when I was in Cervinia in February.
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| CaravanSkier wrote: |
Thank you Bode Swiller, some interesting information on that thread.
Gosh there are obviously some quite unpleasant drags out there.
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It's hard to get off that thing without falling over!
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| CaravanSkier wrote: |
| Gosh there are obviously some quite unpleasant drags out there. |
Unpleasant ? Sorry to butt in but I'm a weirdo who loves all drag lifts. 
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The tottlift in Are Sweden is nearly 1.5km. My boarder boyfriend hates it. 
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There is a very steep draglift in val d'isere (apparently 40 degrees). It accesses Grand Vallon off piste valley. Grand Vallon isn't that gnarly, but I see logic in having such a steep drag to get to it to ensure only reasonable skiiers will get there, as it is off-piste
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There are a few long ones in 4 vallees area. One is actually making a turn too:)
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It's not just length, chaps. It's also the angle of the dangle. The Seigneurs drag in Flumet is long (1.5km plus, 550m vertical, some of it where the only escape route, if you fall, is to hike through a forest then descend a quite difficult black run) but at the very end, when you've survived all that, the final slope is 66%. It wouldn't be legally possible to build it today, in the era of namby pamby skiers and boarders. 
Le Téléski à Perches Découplables des Seigneurs est une remontée mécanique mythique réalisée en 1963 par le constructeur Montaz-Mautino.
Il s'agit du TK le plus difficile de tout l'Espace Diamant et probablement l'un des plus durs de France avec ses 66% de pente maximale, ses 550 mètres de dénivelée et son kilomètre et demi de longueur.
Son tracé étroit en forêt complique fortement la sortie de la piste de montée en cas de chute, qui sont nombreuses durant le parcours, notamment pour ceux n'étant pas trop à l'aise sur un Téléski. A noter que la station a aménagé des petits chemins de retour en bas de chacun des murs du Téléski, ceci afin d'éviter à tout skieur ayant chuté l'impossible redescente par la piste du TK. De plus, il est bien indiqué en haut des pistes arrivant à son aval que l'appareil est difficile, donc si vous ne le sentez pas, continuez sur la piste bleue du Lièvre qui vous amènera au bas des Evettes.
Pour information, nous pouvons souligner que ce tracé très étroit en rapport avec l'inclinaison de la pente ne respecte plus les nouvelles normes imposées par la législation, ce qui pourrait entraîner à plus ou moins long terme une modification de l'appareil.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Samerberg Sue, yer theres one in NZ that has over 600m vert! Nutcrackers ahoy! Although I'm pretty sure it's much shorter than 4km!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Personally I really like T Bars, and also Pomas, just nice to go into a sort of trance when it's dead quiet on high terrain and your close to the snow, really relaxing and I don't find them hard work, more a good place to recharge the thighs!
I always watch ski racers slumped over their skis, Herminator style on the lifts and they use them as a break, and try to keep my mind blank and chill out.......
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no sure whether to post this since I don't want it to deter people from going to the ski area, but here we go ... I have climbed quite a bit in the Val D'Herens, and one of my favourite places in the world (and I mean it) is Arolla. The Kurhaus hotel is a truly wonderful place.
http://www.hotel-kurhaus.arolla.com/index-en.php3
In the photo you can see the slopes just beyond the hotel - it's ski in ski out. Now....the lifts. Well, first, the skiing. There's amazing off-piste, some great low down through the trees stuff, and a great beginners' area. The views of Mt Collon and parts of the Haute Route are fantastic. When arriving, you shut off the engine, open the car door and you can hear ..... absolutely nothing. Nothing. It's the end of the world. Italy is just over the mountain.
Now the lifts....I made the mistake of going there with a hard foehn blowing. Warm on the other side of the Valais. Bloody freezing at 2000m at the village in Arolla - maybe 15 deg of windchill. And I forgot to mention to the friends I had dragged there (ooops, pun, sorry) that it was all drag lifts. No chairs. None. Bottom station 2000m. Top station 3000m. 45min to get from bottom to top. And that meant frostnip to cheeks and noses. Some brilliant deep off-piste, and a great day. But it was effing cold, and the spindrift removed the epidermis like sandpaper - could barely see the skier on the button in front.
The lift pass costs b&*&^er all, the people are wonderful, the skiing is fantastic, the food in the only restaurant at 2800m is dirt cheap and very good, and I thoroughly recommend the place. But not when the wind's up.
Didn't half improve the muscle tone of mu quads.....
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The Heritage Express rope tow at Round Hill ski area near Lake Tekapo in NZ has a a vertical rise of just over 600m. It is definitely not anything like 4km long. It opens up some great terrain but it is a bit of a trial for those not used to nutcrackers.
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| patricksh wrote: |
| There is a very steep draglift in val d'isere (apparently 40 degrees). It accesses Grand Vallon off piste valley. Grand Vallon isn't that gnarly, but I see logic in having such a steep drag to get to it to ensure only reasonable skiiers will get there, as it is off-piste |
That is the Signal lift. Quite steep in one place near the top but I've known one or two steeper. I doubt it is as much as 40º (ie 84%) - even if they are only talking about the steepest point. I'd be surprised if the steep part is much more than 30º (58%) which is a steep black run pitch. (There is a piste running down the slope beside it).
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The X1 lift in Zermatt is 2990m followed by the X2 which is another 1346m. I fell off the X1 near the top and had to ski back down to the bottom and do it again. It was a 40 minute round trip. The OH was not happy.
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SCollier1, You should carry mobile phones - the OH could have skied down and joined you.
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