 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi guys/gals,
New here and looking for some new gear advice.
I am currently in the market for some new touring skis, and am deciding between Dynafit Broad Peak and Dynafit Seven Summits skis.
Very variable local snow conditions, can range from barely dented icy hardpack, to powdery (but nothing deep), and everything in between in the one day.
I would class myself as a beginner/intermediate skier, not quite ready to descent steep narrow chutes (but would like the ski to eventually be able to) - but with my local area being speckled with lots of random rocks - I would like a fairly nimble ski.
As for length, I am at a loss whether to go for a 176cm or something one size down. I am 6' and roughly 190-195lbs with my pack on.
Finally a random question not directly related to the original topic... can I remove dynafit tech bindings from skis myself (Vertical FT with centre-brace)? Or is it something that I definitely should leave for a shop to do? I understand getting them mounted by a shop, but if removal is just a case of borrowing a screwdriver and a little effort, then I would much rather remove them myself.
Many thanks!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Buy Voelkl Nanook or Nanataq
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with your stats I wouldn't go shorter than 176cm. are you set on a touring specific ski? unless your emphasis is more on the up than the down, you might have more fun on a less specific ski like the ones suggested by CH2O
in terms of getting bindings off skis, get yourself a pozidrive screw driver and most of the time they will come out with a little force. be careful not to strip the screw if it is giving some resistance
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Why would something like the Nanook/Nanataq/Mustagah be a better ski? I am still very new to this... From most of the product descriptions, those wideish waisted skis seem to be for more ideal conditions and lightish powder rather than a wider range including icy terrain. I have ridden a 90mm waist ski on icy crud conditions before, and the experience was a little hair-raising. Is this just my technique being unaccustomed to a wider width ski? Would I get used to riding a 90mm on less than ideal conditions if I stick with it?
In answer to your question Arno, I do really enjoy a lot of the up, and a fair whack of trips (30-50%) will be just to access climbing venues, rather than specifically skiing.
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zarb, Nanook is basically the Mantra without metal in it, awesome core, build and none of the silly nonsense inserts a la Dynafit. The Nunataq is the Gotama without metal. The Mantra is probably the best all mountain ski made IMO, try them out.
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I have a set of Dyanfit Manaslu 178cm skis for sale with the specific Dynafit Speedskins if you are interested. These are in very good condition having only had about 8 days use in good snow conditions. Looking for £300 for the skis and skins. Your bindings would screw straight onto the inserts on the skis.
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| CH2O wrote: |
| zarb,....The Nunataq is the Gotama without metal..... |
The Gotama doesn't have any metal in it's lay-up.
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it does once the binding screws are in. 
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One thing to note about the dyna skis is that a lot of the lightness comes from simply reducing the physical material in the ski (pretty much), so thinner bases and edges with a consequence being they may not stand up to abuse, hits etc like beefier skis would. Not saying this should put you off but if they're intended to be a one ski do it all kinda setup then it's worth giving it some thought.
Bonus question, D.I.Y fo sho, just be careful not to strip the screw head (but even if you do it's not a huge deal). Depending on how well they were glued, you might need some big force to crack the bond and get em turning - if really stuck fast then stick a solder iron on top of the screw for a few seconds before trying again.
Stiffness underfoot of the ski is as important (if not more so) than ski width for icy terrain. I have 108mm girders and an old 80mm pair of noodles and the stiffies are MUCH MUCH better on the hard stuff
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barry, Agree about Dynafit skis, hense the nod towards Voelkl, lightweight for the structure, feel there is nothing better available weigh vs construction.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| CH2O wrote: |
| barry....Voelkl, lightweight for the structure, feel there is nothing better available weigh vs construction. |
Agreed re a conventional construction but you can go far lighter/stronger if you're prefererred to pay the extra for a carbon hyrid or a full carbon construction from the likes of PM Gear or DPS etc. With these you get both full 'tourability' & top end downhill performance. And with binding inserts you can dual mount for both alpine & touring bindings.
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spyderjon, Spent most of the winter testing Carbon Hybrid skis, wasn't really impressed with any of the dampening, glad i've few fillings, direct comparison the same days with the Voelkl, 100% prefered them. Most common word used when trying the Carbon skis, "Doorlike". Binding inserts, QK and the like can be mounted on pretty much all, except the Dynafit (due to insert pattern) and alot of the super light "Hex" core skis.
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You know it makes sense.
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zarb, over half my skiing is in the Scottish mountains which are rightly known for their 'variable' conditions and I've been happy using a 90 mm underfoot touring set up (with Tech bindings) for all my skiing for a while now. I was a bit curious as to why you wanted to choose between 'Broad Peak' & 'Seven Summit' skis though ?
Edit ... you were obviously thinking the same thing Barry.
| barry wrote: |
| One thing to note about the dyna skis is that a lot of the lightness comes from simply reducing the physical material in the ski (pretty much), so thinner bases and edges with a consequence being they may not stand up to abuse, hits etc like beefier skis would. Not saying this should put you off but if they're intended to be a one ski do it all kinda setup then it's worth giving it some thought. (---SNIPPED---) Stiffness underfoot of the ski is as important (if not more so) than ski width for icy terrain. I have 108mm girders and an old 80mm pair of noodles and the stiffies are MUCH MUCH better on the hard stuff |
CH20, if you mean any ski with a lot of carbon in the construction, I think you're wrong or you have a particularly sh1te dentist. It's certainly not my personal experience with the Scott Crusair (a 90 mm underfoot carbon touring specific ski) coupled with Dynafit TLT FT12's. They're comfortable enough to ski all day long on piste and stiff enough for steep skins, narrow side slips, hard traverses, neve, frozen sastrugi, hard pack and icy snow, have a small enough radius to noodle through rock fields and to make short, concise turns when turning too long is an unattractive option.
As I'm definitely not an expert skier and don't have the confidence to point & shoot stretches of gully with questionable snow surfaces, that stiffness was particularly welcome when siding into a few gullys this season that had 50-60 degree entrances. I would have sh@t myself if the skis had been flapping about.
I don't get what you mean about Dynafits & binding inserts though. I have Dynafits & Markers set up on my skis (fitted by spyderrjon which work very well. Half the holes are common & neither binding type is any harder to swap on/off than the other. Edit ... I got the wrong end of that stick as I think you probably meant Dynafit skis not Dynafit bindings. 
Last edited by You know it makes sense. on Sun 17-06-12 13:46; edited 2 times in total
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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spyderjon, What you got/expecting for pmgear at the moment/next season. Curious about a couple of thos models
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Poster: A snowHead
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Moffat, reason for choosing between Broad Peak & Seven Summits, is that I am currently using Dynafit for all my other gear (TLT5 Mountain boots, and Vertical ST bindings), and am very happy with what I have seen from the brand so far.
The reason for those two particular skis was that based on advice from other people I have spoken to in person, recommend a <90mm waisted ski and a larger radius for a more forgiving ski in variable conditions. Always willing to be re-educated though 
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No worries zarb and post some photos from Oz in the snow conditions won't you. There's at least another 5 months to go before I can ski again so it'd be good to see someone enjoying fresh snow. Meanwhile, it's pishing down with cool rain here again in yet another sorry excuse for a summer. 
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| barry wrote: |
| ....would be tempted on a hybrid Bro 192 as stiff as they come - that be orderable??.... |
No problem.
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Skied the Cruisair, lovely ski albeit the "carbon" isn't really a functioning part of the ski IMO. Skis we've been using are non production Ridea, skis trying to workout best build, structure and shape. Th e guys are actual Carbon engineers, making heli componants, now developing skis.
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Thoughts on the Black Diamond Aspect for my requirements? Seems like a decent ski, and I can get a 176cm for cheap.
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zarb, Pretty good skis too, on the whole.
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