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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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tiggerific, don't feed the troll, you will never win that battle
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| CEM wrote: |
| tiggerific, don't feed the troll, you will never win that battle |
I just happen to believe that getting boots fitted in resorts is a much, much, much better way of getting a good result. Stomping around a shop at sea level doesn't really cut it.
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In the UK or in resort is an argument that has been done previously. I think if you are planning to spend a number of weeks in a single resort then to get fitted there and to re-visit a shop in resort might work very well as you can actually ski harder and longer to really bed the boots in and then re-visit the in resort shop for any necessary adjustments. However, in my experience boot fitting can be job of several hours, shops in resort may require walking to (assuming you can find a fitter with a good reputation in resort) and consequentially half and even full days skiing could easily be given up to accomplish the job in resort.
I guess that's fine if you are in resort for several weeks I guess, but what about the holiday skier, particularly someone limited to a single week in a school holiday - paying a premium to stay in the resort, and often a premium to ski (lift pass). I can see it being less attractive to spend say 1/10th to 1/5th of an expensive holiday buying, breaking and refitting boots. It must surely be horses for courses - let the seasonaires and appartment owners maybe buy in resort, but I think there will always be a place for UK fitted boots for the one week a year in a single resort holiday maker.
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PJSki, what YOU believe and the actual facts are somewhat different, you carry on doing what you do, and we will do what we do, simples!
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| PJSki wrote: |
| CEM wrote: |
| tiggerific, don't feed the troll, you will never win that battle |
I just happen to believe that getting boots fitted in resorts is a much, much, much better way of getting a good result. Stomping around a shop at sea level doesn't really cut it. |
If you are going to be resident in resort for the season then I'd suggest it may be worth getting boots fitted where you will be.
HOWEVER; having used CEM in the past, I will continue to use him. I spend most of my time Skiing in the UK and have "problem feet" or "another interesting day as Colin put it.
Colin a S4Feet gets my vote.
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| CEM wrote: |
| PJSki, what YOU believe and the actual facts are somewhat different, you carry on doing what you do, and we will do what we do, simples! |
It's a free county and most, if not all of us believed in Father Christmas once. Even trolls. 
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| PJSki wrote: |
Get them in resort from a respected fitter. Buying them in the UK is a mug's games. |
Fitting in resort is not really a practical option for most, if not all, holiday skiers for the obvious reason that it takes hours and then there's the breaking in period. The mug's game comment is just dumb trolling. The main problem with UK boot fitting is testing them on the slopes, but there are enough snowdomes around to go through that process long before you get out on a real mountain. The key thing in any case is to find an experienced fitter and take the time to do it properly.
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| uktrailmonster wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
Get them in resort from a respected fitter. Buying them in the UK is a mug's games. |
Fitting in resort is not really a practical option for most, if not all, holiday skiers for the obvious reason that it takes hours and then there's the breaking in period. The mug's game comment is just dumb trolling. The main problem with UK boot fitting is testing them on the slopes, but there are enough snowdomes around to go through that process long before you get out on a real mountain. The key thing in any case is to find an experienced fitter and take the time to do it properly. |
My own experience and the experience of many people I know suggests that getting your boots done in resort is the best option. Got a problem with you UK bought boots in resort? What then? The UK boot fitting 'industry' forming their own association and then labelling anyone with a differing view as a troll, is hardly a ringing endorsement.
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PJSki, it seems more likely that neither is ideal. e.g.
When fitted in resort then:
1. You lose up to half a day's skiing. (Or have the fitting done in the evening after you've been skiing all day, which surely isn't that great.)
2. If they need tweaking after 10 days' skiing then you're in a completely different resort.
When fitted in the UK then:
1. You cannot have tweaks done whilst skiing
2. You speak the same language as the fitter so are likely to get a better fit.
3. You have the benefit of UK consumer protection - and being able to sound off on the internet in a way that will really put people off a shop!
4. You're buying from somebody who hasn't been skiing for weeks.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Got a problem with you UK bought boots in resort? What then?
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Err...you go to a boot fitter in the resort to get them tweaked.
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James the Last, in resort I will make an appointment so that I only miss an hour of ski time and a bit of beer time, both easily made up for. If (note the 'if') I need some tweaks done in a different resort I will get them done.
Anyway, thanks for your non rabid, very reasonable and balanced response.
Last edited by So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much  on Wed 23-05-12 18:13; edited 1 time in total
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You know it makes sense.
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| Kelskii wrote: |
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Got a problem with you UK bought boots in resort? What then?
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Err...you go to a boot fitter in the resort to get them tweaked. |
..for an additional fee.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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..for an additional fee.
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Possibly but not always, had mine ground and stretched for nowt before.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Kelskii wrote: |
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..for an additional fee.
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Possibly but not always, had mine ground and stretched for nowt before. |
Lucky you.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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PJSki, labelling you as a troll is nothing to do with anything other than the fact that you bring this argument up every time someone talks about boots, you believe in buying boots in resort, i believe that they can be fitted well in the uk, that is where the argument ends, you wanted a response and you got it, my bad, it is not a lot to do with location, more the fitter doing the work, i have no argument that there are some great fitters in ski resorts, but it often depends on the resort, if you feel that there are great fitters in every resort please post up a thread as to where they are, i will start it below for you if you like
Chamonix, Steve (smallzookeeper) at sole, Jules (largezookeeper) at Sanglard
Morzine keith yeoman at alpine ski warehouse
Easiskis location whichever one it is Cedric or jim lister not sure of shops
courchevel 1650 boot lab
kitzbuhel Rob Graham at daleboot
Courmayeur Stefano Macori (macori boot fitting)
tignes nevada sport
you can carry it on when you get a chance, there are a hand full of great fitters in a handful of resorts, if you are going to one of those places or know someone in another resort the great but it is as much of a crap shoot walking into the average resort shop as it is walking into the average town shop here in the uk....now if you start looking at uk specialists and resort specialists then you are comparing apples with apples but until then it is not a level playing field.
there is no ideal for everyone, as has been said if you live in resort then getting boots there is possibly a good option, but for the average uk consumer who skis 1-3 weeks a year and generally goes to different resorts each time then it is a bit of luck, and for the most part a few sessions testing at a fridge or even god forbid on a dry slope will tell if there are any problem that need working on.... next it all depends on what people are looking for from a ski boot, maybe you do risk modifying bits of boot which may pack out in time when doing things at home, but for the most part i don't think this is an issue. the basic principles of check size, check shape, support foot and adjust for lumps and bumps hold true wherever you do the job
one last question , you can pm me on this one if you like, but why have you got a link to a very old letter regarding Chris Exall in your signature, i am intrigued
edit to add another fitter
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Wed 23-05-12 18:46; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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CEM, 'you bring this argument up every time someone talks about boots' bad start and it didn't improve.
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jerry, if that is your best argument, i don't need to post anything better
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PJSki, my last pair of boots needed the equivalent of about 4 days of skiing before they were fully comfortable. If I only get a couple of weeks skiing a year then I would want to sort my boots out in my own time before my holiday. In my opinion for those of us who are based in the uk and who ski on a regular basis in the uk, it is no contest.
James the Last, yeah neither option is ideal but onbalance, and I am sure that you agree, most of the time you are better off getting your boots done at home.
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| Elston wrote: |
| PJSki, my last pair of boots needed the equivalent of about 4 days of skiing before they were fully comfortable. If I only get a couple of weeks skiing a year then I would want to sort my boots out in my own time before my holiday. In my opinion for those of us who are based in the uk and who ski on a regular basis in the uk, it is no contest.. |
Try another fitter next time.
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| PJSki wrote: |
Try another fitter next time. |
in the context above if the human foot was a standardised size and shape and had a uniform tolerance to pressure then that statement would make sense, until that foot exists it is absolute tosh
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| CEM wrote: |
| jerry, if that is your best argument, I don't need to post anything better |
I assume you're replying to me?
You aren't interested in any view apart from your own, which you are financially wedded to. My view is unbiased and based on not only my experience but the experience of many other people I have spoken to.
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PJSki, always interested in opinions and view points, i don't however need to agree with them, if you can give more of a valid argument than "your experience and people you have spoken to" then people might take the argument seriously, my argument could be all the happy customers i have seen over the past 20+ years of fitting boots
but if you are't willing to elaborate
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| CEM wrote: |
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Try another fitter next time. |
in the context above if the human foot was a standardised size and shape and had a uniform tolerance to pressure then that statement would make sense, until that foot exists it is absolute tosh |
Just like stomping around a shop in ski boots is 'absolute tosh' as a way of finding out anything beyond the rudimentary question of 'do they fit?'.
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PJSki, if you knew anything about the subject at all you would know that the question "do they fit" is not one that a boot fitter will ever use (maybe they do in some resorts)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| CEM wrote: |
PJSki, always interested in opinions and view points, i don't however need to agree with them, if you can give more of a valid argument than "your experience and people you have spoken to" then people might take the argument seriously, my argument could be all the happy customers i have seen over the past 20+ years of fitting boots
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It's all about success rate. Out of 100 fitting, how many people ain't happy? When the fit goes wrong, what are the reasons?
Just so you know, I'm going out and won't be posting for a while.
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PJSki, with all due respect how often do you buy boots? My current boots, after the 4 days, fitted like slippers and have lasted 3 seasons before the fit is no longer snug. My previous boots felt great in the shop!!! But alas I only used them for 14 days skiing before they were like a pair of buckets and were confined to the bin.
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You know it makes sense.
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| PJSki, with all due respect how often do you buy boots? My current boots, after the 4 days, fitted like slippers and have lasted 3 seasons before the fit is no longer snug. My previous boots felt great in the shop!!! But alas I only used them for 14 days skiing before they were like a pair of buckets and were confined to the bin. |
Depends on the amount of skiing. I always have a pair of touring boots and a pair of downhill ones. I've owned a lot of boots, it's fair to say.
Anyway, I'm out of here, to the pub. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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PJSki, this past year sold 425+ at last count and had 3 or 4 where they were convinced that the fit was wrong, we handled the situation and they left happy sometimes a minor modification solves the problem sometimes there is no easy solution, this season one was a leaking boot more than a fit issue, and a couple were general biomechanics, if people have a lack of flexion or biomechanics issues that need more some external intervention (stretching etc) then there is little any fitter can do to help be they in resort or in a town
all in all pretty happy with the way the season went, no fitter can expect 100% hit rate it is all about how it is handled, more than anything it is about managing expectations of skiers, if you spend all day sat at a desk then you need to get fit before you ski, a new boot will most likely take a few days to bed in to compress the liners to give a better fit, as Elston said, if they fitted really comfortably in the shop like his previous boots then they don't ski well
italy next season? if you are in courmayeur you should search out stefano, he will show you how a boot fitter works (wherever they are located)
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Poster: A snowHead
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| CEM wrote: |
| tiggerific, don't feed the troll, you will never win that battle |
Oh b*gger - I said before I don't go on forums often as i usually muck up the etiquette - another reason is I'm not on often enough to get the lie of the land & know who the habitual devil's advocates are, and get to grips with all your various alter egos (so no offence intended PJSki - just don't agree with ya!)
I'll leave it there! Cheers
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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PJSki, Your comments above don't add up:
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Got a problem with you UK bought boots in resort? What then?
Err...you go to a boot fitter in the resort to get them tweaked.
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Above it's as though you object to paying an extra fee - yet below you say for a problem in a different resort you would go to a different fitter (presumably
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If (note the 'if') I need some tweaks done in a different resort I will get them done.
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I don't see why the UK can't just be considered a different resort? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Megamum wrote: |
PJSki, Your comments above don't add up:
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Kelskii wrote:
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Got a problem with you UK bought boots in resort? What then?
Err...you go to a boot fitter in the resort to get them tweaked.
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Above it's as though you object to paying an extra fee - yet below you say for a problem in a different resort you would go to a different fitter (presumably
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If (note the 'if') I need some tweaks done in a different resort I will get them done.
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I don't see why the UK can't just be considered a different resort? |
If I buy a pair in resort, during the course of the week they may need some tweaking, but not a problem as the fitter is at hand. If my UK bought boots need tweaking then there's a good chance I'll be charged. If my resort X bought boots need tweaking by the time I've gone to another resort, then I may be charged, but that's a lot less likely. Either way, the only way to really test the fit is to get up to altitude and ski. Half an hour of walking around the shop plus an hour in a snow dome doesn't really cut the mustard, in my opinion, based on my experience.
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| CEM wrote: |
| PJSki, this past year sold 425+ at last count and had 3 or 4 |
Only 3 or 4 needed some remedial work?
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PJSki, I couldn't of possibly have bought and had my boots fitted in resort without writing off a whole week. Zip-Fit liners were intolerable after wearing then for 30 minutes at first, took several visits to the fridge heating and wearing them for limited time before they bedded in enough for prolonged use. Now they're without any hesitation the most comfortable boots I've ever had.
Several minor shell & footbed adjustments were also required spread over about 4 months.
Impossible to of achieved if I'd bought them in resort. I shall revisit CEM for my next pair this Autumn. I'm sure he'll be overjoyed at the thought.
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If my resort X bought boots need tweaking by the time I've gone to another resort, then I may be charged, but that's a lot less likely.
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PJSki, Well, how do you work that out? How's a fitter in any resort really going to know where you bought them from? I hardly see that they are going to demand sight of your receipts. They will just go on what you tell them - I can't see that it will make any difference to being charged for remedial work in resort X whether you tell them that bought them 50 miles away or 500 miles away How are they going to know - they will just believe what you tell them. If you think it will affect the cost if you got them in the UK, tell the resort shop you got them from a different ski resort.
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PJSki, wouldn't work for me! Like a lot of the guys and girls on here, I do a LOT more UK skiing than "Altitude" skiing so if I had boots fitted in a resort and after coming home had problems I may have to spend more cash having tweaks or worse needing new boots if it turned out they were sized wrong!
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If my resort X bought boots need tweaking by the time I've gone to another resort, then I may be charged, but that's a lot less likely.
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PJSki, Well, how do you work that out? How's a fitter in any resort really going to know where you bought them from? I hardly see that they are going to demand sight of your receipts. They will just go on what you tell them - I can't see that it will make any difference to being charged for remedial work in resort X whether you tell them that bought them 50 miles away or 500 miles away How are they going to know - they will just believe what you tell them. If you think it will affect the cost if you got them in the UK, tell the resort shop you got them from a different ski resort. |
What I mean is, it's a lot less likely that I'll need any work done in the next resort.
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| PJSki, I couldn't of possibly have bought and had my boots fitted in resort without writing off a whole week. |
Really? You'd spend the whole week in the shop having your boots adjusted?
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