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Somehow found myself surfing onto J2ski's Warren Smith technique pages. There's a nice vid of someone (him?) "freeskiing" - big loopy turns down a fresh powder field.
Now I don't know about anyone else, but while that's great if you're the only one there, but generally very, very poor etiquette if you're with chums who also want freshies. Generally rewarded by getting to wear the red security jumpsuit and being sacrificed to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
It's not free skiing, it's trashing. Free skiing means (to me at least) having the skill and control to ski powder tracks so that everyone can enjoy themselves. Don't think I'd be too chuffed at that sort of behaviour in my hel-group.
Discussion anyone??
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I take your point but I'm also a bit fedup of people on a pair of fat skis whose idea of skiing in powder is just one turn shape.
Warren has this idea, which I tend to agree with, that it takes a bit more skill to be skiing at higher speeds with differing turn shapes and that it's more rewarding.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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"There are no friends on a powder day".
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brian
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David Murdoch, no I think obliterating as much lovely powder as possible should be encouraged. I particularly think boarders who obviously can't handle the slopes they're on should side slip as much as possible, wiping out gullies at a time 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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agree with ise and warren....opening up turn shapes to suit terrain is v.good for ski skills - I used to have the tight "s" shape technique only in powder....yes it is good for getting several tracks alongside - however if everyone is doing big GS's through the POW - you do get a lot of fresh tracks still - think it's a case of skiing the terrain with an appropriate turn shape and not getting stuck in short radius only - me I love fast big turns AND for when it's narrower/steeper shorter classic powder turns...
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David Murdoch,
Thought about this too.
However neat you and your group leave the powder tracks, chances are a skier or especially a snowboarder trashes them and the snow either side. I'm not sure wether it's selfishness or just plain ignorance that makes people use more powder than they need to. Suppose you gotta ski the rough and the smooth. If it's a run nobody else is likely to use that day (e.g. hiked up to the run) and there's more powder forecast maybe then it's OK to use and abuse it.
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If you can be bothered to get to a stash first, you can use it as you will IMO. If you can't be bothered to get the first lift, or hike a bit quicker to get the goods you take what you find when you get there.
One exception is people who blatantly don't have the ability to be on the slope in the first place. Nothing worse than a skier traversing a whole slope of good snow then doing a big stem turn and traversing all the way back... or a snowboarder slipping down vertically and scraping out a big trench. The point is that these people aren't really enjoying themselves AND they're depriving others of fun too.
The other thing is that although WS's turns look like they take up a lot of space, their radius is so big that you probably wouldn't cross them too often even if you were doing short radius turns straight down the fall line
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One exception is people who blatantly don't have the ability to be on the slope in the first place.
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another exception is when u have made the effort to step/climb that bit further up the hill to get 20-30% more turns than a gentle traverse would have granted and then some git pulls the short cut and wipes out the bottom half of your run 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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One exception is people who blatantly don't have the ability to be on the slope in the first place. Nothing worse than a skier traversing a whole slope of good snow then doing a big stem turn and traversing all the way back... or a snowboarder slipping down vertically and scraping out a big trench. The point is that these people aren't really enjoying themselves AND they're depriving others of fun too.
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Great attitude. I guess you were skiing perfect S's the first time you ventured off piste were you?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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Masque, even though you are a border, i like you. You talk sense.
Cathy Coins, It's true. We all have to learn somewhere - something many people forget.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I also believe forums are a place to express views. Some don't like mine, I don't like some others. Fair enough i'd say.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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FastCarver, [sigh] my point is that people doing that sort of thing are usually doing it because they have found that the run is too difficult for them and they are scared. This deserves sympathy for the first time - on subsequent occasions it is actually pretty annoying and in some circumstances dangerous too
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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FastCarver, it's not the views you hold that people don't like - it's the way you express them.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Masque, wanna race?
But seriously, I had a heli trip with two boarders (from Aspen) who rode the tightest, gnarliest lines I ever did see. Great guys and a joy to ski with. unlike many boarders I see....
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FastCarver, it's fair to say that your post does have a slightly 'barbed' feel to it.
It's hardly crime of the century of course and I know it would be mild compared to what goes on on a lot of other forums but here at snowHeads people tend to treat each other as friends rather than adverseries by default.
Imagine u actually like the people you're talking to
So, now u know why some of your posts might have been getting a little extra of the wrong sort of attention
... and welcome to snowHeads!
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Oooooh it looks like someone has reported me to the snowheads police 
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| FastCarver wrote: |
| Oooooh it looks like someone has reported me to the snowheads police |
Have to say if a website's founder gave me a warm welcome and offered some friendly advice I'd be inclined to accept it.
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snowHeads police are out of stock
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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David Goldsmith, I like it
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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That's a shame, because they're out of stock
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FastCarver, I've seen you taking a bit of stick on these forums recently. I've read your posts and although they rile some people, it appears to me that some are inclined to misrepresent your views and/or quote them out of context. I don't always agree with you but that's another matter.
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You know it makes sense.
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jtr, thanks. Just a few minutes ago i was on the end of some very harsh words - certainly not in the spirit of snowheard - from "wears a cock for a hat"
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| FastCarver wrote: |
| jtr, thanks. Just a few minutes ago i was on the end of some very harsh words - certainly not in the spirit of snowheard - from "wears a cock for a hat" |
Who said what, and where? This could be fun to watch!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Well I guess I must have missed something somewhere, but back to the point I'd agree with FastCarver, you have to learn sometime, and just because you can't make perfect turns, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be there - in my opinion skiing powder (especially the west coast cement) requires a certain feel for the snow and confidence to get into a rythym you only get that from practice - before that I was (and some would still say am!) all over the place.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stuarth, thank you. I am not being objectional for the sake of it. I think the skiing comunity is generally very intollerant of beginners or those with less ability, and it's an attitude that gets right on my nerves.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stuarth, depends on degree. You aren't helping yourself or anyone else if the conditions are such that you can barely manage a traverse punctuated with kick turns each end. Naturally I don't mean You personally 
One (me) might even suggest that even with today's kit there is probably a minimum skill requirement to even begin to tackle deep, soft snow??
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You aren't helping yourself or anyone else if the conditions are such that you can barely manage a traverse punctuated with kick turns each end.
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I have to say in defence of the inept that it's not always their fault. I remember following a 'friend' down a piste which was way beyond my skill level because I had no choice but to go down by the time we realised I was way out of my depth. (Who needs kick turns when you can simply sit down at the edge and roll over to get your skis pointing in the right direction again)  So even knowing your limitations is no use sometimes!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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FastCarver, There's a difference between intolerance and that wonderful glow you get deep in your vitals when you pull a hard clean carve past a group of newbie hillfrogs (I have to thank someone for that new sobriquet for boarders). OK, I'm no great shakes (particularly at the mo.). But on the odd occasion when I've been inside my comfort zone and encountered someone thrashing about and building kickers they'll never use, when I've stopped and offered encouragement (dropped my two cents worth), I've been greeted by pure abuse. It is difficult to maintain a feeling of goodwill to people who don't want or don't think they need lessons.
And yes, I've already booked some for this season.
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Helen101, a very fair point!
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I'm with the "if you get there first camp". Some of this thread sounds a bit like a locals versus tourists surf and turf war. I'd agree that if you're not safe there and all you've got is a vertical slide you shouldn't be there, but personally am in favour of otherwise skiing whatever turn shape you like once you're there. No-one's got more rights than anyone else out there.
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slikedges, I'd go with that too.
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and everyone knows, "there are no friends on a powder day"...
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slikedges, true, but if I'm skiing with a bunch of people, and we come across some wide untracked stuff, there is a code of conduct which says "leave some for the others"
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