 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm not sure at what point this happened, but I've only just noticed...
I hate to be an "old man", but in the last two days I've been shocked by the unwillingness / inability of other people skiing / boarding off-piste to recognise the right of people skiing / boarding below them to not be skied / boarded into.
I was boarded into twice yesterday on steep off-piste. In both cases a boarder parked 20-30m above me didn't have the patience to wait until I'd made 3-4 turns before setting off themselves. In both cases they didn't so much "board" as sideslip on their heel side at high speed and wonder why they crashed into the person below (me).
Today, we were skiing on a bit of off-piste about 1km wide by 800m-1km long and were at least 300-400m below skiers who decided that straight lining on their skis didn't require them to avoid people below - restyling in 5 near-misses in our group. All of whom were doing nice regular fall line turns in a narrow(ish) corridor.
Am I just being grumpy????
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Take your powder 8s to the meadows grandad, s'all about the freeride now! Checkme on my gopro dude!
Nothing to do with the equipment more like the tools using it. If my understanding is correct there has been some quite heavy snow so why is eveyone wanting to create load hazards anyway.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Oh, and if "freeride" means "sitting on the tails of my skis and going straight" then I want my metaphorical money back!
(More or less) Straight lining 500m off-piste whilst sat on your ski's tails and making slightly wiggly turns ain't "cool" and it ain't "free ride". Not in my book. GSing the same slope with style. Now that's free riding...
[grump]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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FlyingStantoni, I agree, its all to easy now adays for boarders and skiers alike to get off piste, due to equipment advances, as you say the trouble is that fewer and fewer people know what they are doing, this is one of the reasons I do what I do.
However over the last few years we also see guides and instructors taking their clients off piste, the day after a snow storm, when we all know that we should really give the snow pack at least a day to consolidate a little, but unfortunatley if we do its all skied and boarderd out.
So we are all somewhat guilty of going off piste before we should do the day after a storm, regardless of the equipment
Also the pro skiers, in the movies, are straight lining 1000m + off piste at mach 2 so the kids are thinking that they should ski like that, its like trying to blame the gun for shooting someone.
We are all responsible for our own and others safety on the mountain.
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Bring back Dick Barrymore.
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Seeing it more and more, especially here on Hokkaido.
No problem committing to the fall line, and with an ironing board under each foot the accelaration is immediate and dramatic.
The feet are flying and the back bottom and upper body are already in the back seat, so trying to make turns and control the speed is compromised. Hence the collisions and/or crater holes all over the slopes as they bail.
Get yourself a pair of all-mountain skis and head for the trees. Way less traffic and the snow's better in there too.
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| livetoski wrote: |
Also the pro skiers, in the movies, are straight lining 1000m + off piste at mach 2 so the kids are thinking that they should ski like that, its like trying to blame the gun for shooting someone.
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This is what makes me laugh the most.
The pros get deep and get face shots on fat skis because they're going at mach 2.
Most mere mortals are riding on top of the powder, make a quick slash sitting on their tails, send up a plume of snow on the outside of their slash and think they're skiing powder.
NEWSFLASH
You've got to be in it to win it 
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Bring back skinny skis.
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I have a number of pairs if you want to buy them.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Flying Stantoni, I agree mate, If the 'freeride' prats are so good at flying down the snow effortlessly, then why don't they show us how good they are by staying the fuk away from us then! Rest assured if someone bashes me, I'll do my damdest to get them back! (or laugh, point and swear at them when they're unclipped walking across a flat section!)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Have to go to more expensive resorts in the height of the season to avoid the proles; one cannot expect class when one is trying to do it on the cheap.
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FlyingStantoni, were you on tele gear?
If so this complicates in a few ways, if you get knocked sideways then very unpleasant- hurts, hard to get upright, if you lose a ski it is a real pain to put cable bindings back on especially in deep snow/steep slope.
But also on tele gear you go slower- so people get frustrated- they might be on a huge slope- but flock together to follow the people in front but then can't wait.... (not that this means it is anything to do with you at all they are just ladies front bottoms).
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You know it makes sense.
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Numpty snowboarders who heel-side gring their way down, scraping the snow off.....GRRRRRRR
Nothing....NOTHING....on a ski slope makes my blood boil like that does.
My cousin is one of those, I simply cannot ski with her anymore without having to say "see you at lunch" because I am going to explode with the pent up annoyance of watching the snow getting ruined ALL THE TIME!
Snowboarders who have full use of both edges....they are just other snow-riders, and they are welcome to share the mountains with the rest of us.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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rungsp, I agree or people using fat skis that smear round the turns doing the same thing on piste looking like 80s feet together relics.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Spooky that the sponsors ad is for a freeride course while I'm reading this.....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Cynic wrote: |
| rungsp, I agree or people using fat skis that smear round the turns doing the same thing on piste looking like 80s feet together relics. |
You could say the same about 95% of people on skinny skis too.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| ed123 wrote: |
| FlyingStantoni, were you on tele gear? |
No he wasn't. I was with him and we were shocked at the behaviour of some of the skiers we saw. It was the first time that I had seen so many skiers essentially straight line a fairly steep slope using the width of their skis and an exaggerated back-seat stance to give illusion of speed control (although it didn't stop quite a few wipe-outs). To me that's a bad use of niche kit.
To be fair we also saw a handful of skiers on big rockered skis putting in some extremely impressive lines, just as fast as the straightliner numpties but actually putting some proper long radius turns in as a result of skiing in control rather than out of control. To me that's an excellent use of niche kit.
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These are the same people that barrel down pistes at a billion miles an hour without really turning, mistaking balls and the effect of gravity for skill.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It's down to lack of education, and possibly people starting to ski earlier in their 'skiing careers' (Christ that sounds terrible). Not sure that's down to equipment though - since when has it been hard to ski powder on skinny skis?
WHen I first started skiing offpiste, I was fairly terrible, and completely clueless. I think I was influenced by watching movies - how can you watch some backcountry porn and not want to get off the motorway pistes?
Saying that, the idiocy required to straightline into someone a few hundred metres below you is quite staggering.
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| It's down to lack of education, and possibly people starting to ski earlier in their 'skiing careers' (Christ that sounds terrible). Not sure that's down to equipment though - since when has it been hard to ski powder on skinny skis? |
Maybe a lack of ski education, maybe a "don't care about anyone else attitude" who knows. But I don't believe they would have been able to ski that pitch in that way on skinny skis. The fat skis enabled them to ski in that way. Their attitude is why they skied in that way.
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| Cynic wrote: |
| Have to go to more expensive resorts in the height of the season to avoid the proles; one cannot expect class when one is trying to do it on the cheap. |
On the contrary it is the small resorts which are not widely known for off piste which allow you to have powder slopes to yourself. These are usually cheap.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Sun 22-01-12 18:18; edited 1 time in total
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suck it coffin dodgers
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| snowball wrote: |
| Cynic wrote: |
| Have to go to more expensive resorts in the height of the season to avoid the proles; one cannot expect class when one is trying to do it on the cheap. |
On the contrary it is the small resorts which are not widely known for off piste which allow you to have powder slopes to yourself. These are usually cheap. |
and you don't get no stinkin' rocker'd skis in cheap resorts, more likely to see people on Salomon S9000s and rear entry boots.
I suggest the OP makes better use of his ski poles to ward off the uphill skier (think Azincourt 1415) for the kind of defensive boundary you should establish.
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Yep hate it. And I hate noobs that try and overtake when you are hiking too. Fine if there is space, will happily step out the way... just don't be a 'hero' and try and run round me on the steeps.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Oh as an aside, read an interview with glen plake a few years back and he was yearning for the days of straights and quiet off piste. Starting to see his point more and more!
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Thanks for all the interesting comments.
I have no problem sharing with anyone (ok, well except snow bikers. And snowbladers. But anyone else is ok.)
It's the fundamental lack of consideration and steering ability that's got me grumpy.
I do think that kit is contributory here. I can't imagine many of these people being able to make it more than 5m into the off-piste without 120 underfoot skis.
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You know it makes sense.
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