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hmmm, I'm a 7 heading for a 5 Madeye-Smiley
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I reckon by that scale I'm just about a 6, but I'd rather be judged by an instructor and not be 'that guy' who reckons he's better than he is...
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I'm a 6 who thinks he's a 9 Smile


I'm a 6 who thinks he's a 4.... Shocked
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I'm a 'not good enough to attempt La Noire at La Clusaz yesterday'.
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skimottaret,
This is a good guide for it's intended purpose- for skiers to find the correct level of training group they should be looking to join, I can pin myself down to within two levels, both of which also happen to fall into the same clinic so for me it works with only a few exceptions.

Understanding that it is a guide for selecting the right training is the key point here, problems only come in if it were misused to label a skiers overall ability to navigate the mountain, being classed an expert can be subjective, expert at technique or expertly getting down all terrain without fitting a specific technical mould, other subjective things..... "likes to go fast" how fast is fast? "My fast" will be slow to a lot of people.
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I found this reallly interesting although i struggled to find my own level.

I'm definitely better than 5, but not sure that I fit a 6 yet. Ifelt there was a big jump between these two, and then read other comments above agreeing. I'm not sure if this is because people would pass through 1-3 (4) very easily in a couple of days, but possibly spend years at 5-7 if they ski a couple of weeks a year.

However, I also have an element of 7 - accasionally I have managed to carve my turns, although only on easy blues. I'm not sure how that fits the classification.
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hi all we had some website problems and had to recreate our levels guide any typos or obvious howlers in the revised version ?
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skimottaret, check out this bit of magic Smile

http://web.archive.org/web/20100830135823/http://www.insideoutskiing.com/levels.html
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Too much mention of moguls in the descriptions for my liking!
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kitenski, very cool will have to bookmark that... We had a real nightmare for a while our main website file got corrupted and when we made changes they published okay but although said they "saved" the mods didnt all get saved and when file reopened the changes werent there but the live html was okay..... had to wind back the clock quite a while to find an uncorrupted version and then redo all mods from that date onwards..
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skimottaret, no daily backup then Shocked
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kitenski, yes but we couldnt track back to when the problem started.... had to open each daily backup , make a change and test if it actually got saved... real nightmare..
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uktrailmonster, hmmm will have to slash and burn, im not a big lover of moguls either !
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skimottaret, Not nice!!
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Lots of emphasis on speed. I don't think your levels have changed but I feel I'm going backwards by your levels as I'm less interested in blasting around these days. Also steep fall-line moguls is surely a specialist interest - there's a difference between not being freaked out when encountering them and actively seeking them out. You might as well put big spins in the park.
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skimottaret,
Hello there, I'm around 9/10 on your level scale, live in the midlands any idea where I can get some tuition and coach as Hemel is too far away,
Also going to be in tignes this summer, what do you offer there and what's the costs?
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fatbob, Zip lining bumps is the one true thang.
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fatbob,
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Lots of emphasis on speed. I don't think your levels have changed but I feel I'm going backwards by your levels as I'm less interested in blasting around these days.
That's fair enough, isn't it? Once you can do something well, the only way to make progress is to do it more quickly, no? Luckily, the more lowly levels don't come with that problem and I think that I have crept (slowly wink) from 6 to 8, purely as a result of my lessons with Inside Out. Though heaven knows how far backwards I've slipped through not being able to ski or even keep fit for some months. Sad
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These are always difficult, you can be a level 10 on piste w/race training but a disaster in bumps because you never ski them for instance. I think you have a done a good job here though.

I'm level 9 on that scale.
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Huckacliff duckabranch, Not too sure about UK based tuition, probably worth checking out your local dome or dryslope , depends what you are after if race training is on the cards a dry slope may be okay...

We run a summer ski coaching trip in June in Tignes, ski half days in the morning and then go white water rafting, biking, via ferrata etc in the afternoons. details on our website
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fatbob, that interesting , Im not sure I see how we are placing more emphasis on speed on the latest revision... not really mentioned until the advanced and expert stages and as we progress I think it natural to push the boundaries a bit...

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Once you can do something well, the only way to make progress is to do it more quickly


or very very slowly wink
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skimottaret, Laughing
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Yup, still works for me Level 6 - 'cos this is what I can do: "I can ski most red runs when the conditions are good and may have tried blacks. I like going fairly fast, but struggle when it gets bumpy, steeper, icy, or the snow gets deep."

I am working towards level 7: "I can ski all reds and get down most blacks as well, providing they're not too steep or bumpy. I may have tried skiing just off the side of the pistes" - the thing is I could probably get down (with the emphasis on the 'getting down' part - no huge finesse attached to it) a black - I just choose not to do so probably due to fear (and therin lies the problem).

Mind you the thing that amazes me full stop is that I ever got as far as being a level 6 considering my somewhat iffy start to all this.

NB - I don't know what you've done, but you've managed to solve the IE8 tab colour problem. Very Happy
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skimottaret, No i think it's fine just a reminder of my increasing decrepitude.
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NB - I don't know what you've done, but you've managed to solve the IE8 tab colour problem. Very Happy
Not quite sure what we did, but pleased it's sorted Happy

It's important with the levels to look at the whole description and take a broad view on where you think you are. Sometimes just looking at the description of the terrain you can get down doesn't give a good description of the skills that you are using.
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this is very helpful - now I know I am a solid six and sometimes edging to seven ... not sure it will progress from there, but I'm super happy. Megamum - maybe we should ski together some day!
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Is there any prospect at all that The Trade could collectively agree a single form of words , like this, which we could all then relate to? I think there would have to have two standards, --one for on piste and one for off-piste .
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Farley Goode, Not a chance -wouldn't fluff the egos and sell much kit if most people realised they were still lanquishing around the 2 mark on a linear scale of ability when they thought they were a "confident intermediate" and really didn't need new skis. Though the sH positionizer has been much lobbied for.

Everytime I'm lucky enough to ski with a really good skier or see one up close I realise the reality of where I am on the scale of things.
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fatbob, +1. On the scale of potential skiing ability I'm so low it's not even worth measuring Laughing

Weird considering that I'm still the best skier on the mountain.
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I still think there is a large jump between your levels 5 & 6. See my clips from them below:

5
"You may have done a week or more of skiing and can now ski down a blue run, although you might struggle on the steeper sections. You are beginning to use your ski poles, but the timing of your pole plants is not yet helping you to ski fluidly. You can confidently change your direction and slow down as required on green and gentle blue pistes."

6
"You can always parallel on blues and almost always on reds, going fast on reds unless the conditions are difficult. You can easily get around the mountain but your technique could be better. You may have tried moguls, black runs"

As Megamum mentioned there is also the fear factor in some of us, me probably more than most. It stops me from properly utilising the skills I'm assured I have. I'd place myself at your level 5, with 6 being out of sight as I can't imagine I will EVER try a black or indeed want to go fast down a red! The other issue off course with describing ability by run colour is that one resort's blue is another's red etc.
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agree with above, skill wise I'd say I'm a 7/8ish but that's just because I'm young and my danger perception hasn't developed fully yet, I'm sure my technique is aweful
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I'm a 9 in the bar after a few drinks and talking to young ladies. rolling eyes
On the mountain I'm a 6 dropping to 4 with extra fear from steep or icy slopes. Shocked
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Butterfly wrote:
I still think there is a large jump between your levels 5 & 6. See my clips from them below
The performance gap between levels tends to get bigger as you go up the scale.
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fatbob wrote:
Everytime I'm lucky enough to ski with a really good skier or see one up close I realise the reality of where I am on the scale of things.
That's why our scale goes up to 13! Nigel Tufnel will be proud.
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rob@rar, I've tried to keep up with a few folks who would definitely be 3 louder and it's a delight to see how they handle what would throw most skiers including many high level instructors at the speed they ski. My measure of success in those circumstances on the "don't gape or fall bro" scale is just staying upright.
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Butterfly, how about

6 I can ski most red runs when the conditions are good and may have tried blacks. I like going fairly fast, but struggle when it gets bumpy, steeper, icy, or the snow gets deep.  You can always parallel on blues and almost always on reds, confident on reds unless the conditions are difficult. You can easily get around the mountain but your technique could be better. You may have tried moguls, black runs and the un-pisted terrain at the side of the slope, but you struggled. The main slope at The Snow Centre is easy for you but we will be looking to challenge you. We will work on developing your skills by getting you able to turn by either twisting, edging or pressuring the skis and then combine these skills in different ways to tackle different terrain and conditions. 

7 - Intermediate
I can ski all reds and get down most blacks as well, providing they're not too steep or bumpy. I may have tried skiing just off the side of the pistes. You are now able to link confident parallel turns on blues and reds and are comfortable skiing easier black runs. Steeper and icy slopes may cause you to lose a little of your style, but you are still able to get to the bottom in one piece. You have now started to occasionally get the feeling of ‘carving’ your turns and this has brought a whole new dimension to your skiing. You are happy on-piste but would like to ski on other slopes, including off-piste, bumps fields and other variable conditions. The main slope at The Snow Centre is a training ground for you and we will work on fine tuning your skills to make you an all-round advanced skier so that you can confidently tackle different terrain and conditions. 

When we teach in the mountains we are more concerned with psychological and physical aspects and ask additional questions of people to gauge the fear and fitness factors, inside at the snow centre this is less of an issue...
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fatbob wrote:
rob@rar, I've tried to keep up with a few folks who would definitely be 3 louder and it's a delight to see how they handle what would throw most skiers including many high level instructors at the speed they ski. My measure of success in those circumstances on the "don't gape or fall bro" scale is just staying upright.
Indeed, it is a pleasure to ski occasionally with genuinely high-end skiers. A mix of fear and admiration and resign, all at the same time.
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skimottaret wrote:
When we teach in the mountains we are more concerned with psychological and physical aspects and ask additional questions of people to gauge the fear and fitness factors, inside at the snow centre this is less of an issue...
Speak for yourself, I'm always bloody terrified.
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rob@rar, I do understand that the jumps between levels get bigger, but the next step up for me didn't feel big, it felt 100% inaccessible as high speed isn't something I am ever going to be comfortable with. Confidence can surely be achieved without having to be faster than a speeding bullet!


skimottaret, yes describing someone as confident on reds as opposed to liking to ski them fast is much better. It deals with the issue that while those who like going fast do probably feel confident, not all those who ski confidently are keen on high speed.
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Butterfly wrote:
rob@rar, I do understand that the jumps between levels get bigger, but the next step up for me didn't feel big, it felt 100% inaccessible as high speed isn't something I am ever going to be comfortable with. Confidence can surely be achieved without having to be faster than a speeding bullet!
Yes, that's right, and skimottaret and I discussed it this morning, and you've seen the change (which we'll put on our website later today). We do refer to speed from time to time because as a measure of skill and performance it is important to be able to make effective movements even when conditions are demanding, such as skiing at higher speeds or steeper terrain or more complex snow conditions. For example, there's a big difference between carving nice turns at a relatively slow speed on a gentle blue and making the exact same turns at a much higher speed on a steep red. If you are able to do the latter your skill and performance level will be higher than someone who can only do the former.
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