 Poster: A snowHead
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Prompted by the lure cast in snowboarding - anyone know (besides reasons of cost efficiency) why doesn't anyone make skis that are specifically designed asymetrical Lefts and Rights with different construction from the inside to the outside edge.
I'm aware of Scottybobs and Burton used to make asymetric snowboards for goofy and regular in some models (before they realised that this was limiting sell through potential), but conceptually why do we not have more of it?
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 28-11-11 17:52; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If the radius of the inner edges were bigger it would fix that pesky inner tip lead problem 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Not sure, but I remember asking why we didn't have wider skis with more sidecut back in the early 80s
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G3 make some asymetrical skis, the spitfire I believe the model is.
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If they were asymetrical you could not swap them over halfway through the day to put the sharp edges on the inside for better grip.
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current graphics trends are driving us towards assymetrical 
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According to Wikipedia you can get assymetric Tele skis.
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bobmcstuff, ScottyBobs are tele skis designed with a half swallowtail on the inside IIRC.
johnE, Seriously - people do that? I try to keep my left and right separate to avoid having to araldite both sides of the tips/tails to repair tip bang. 
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Shite thread, next.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Most people are too dumb to remember left and right.
They definitely are when it comes to boots...
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You know it makes sense.
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| meh wrote: |
You're really missing the point if you worry about putting you skis on so the graphics line up.  |
It does feel wrong when the graphics are out of line. Although I have been told it's a good idea swap them over from time to time to even out the wear. Pros & cons?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I thought Elan had this, the Amphibio?
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Poster: A snowHead
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JustJill, mix 'em up as often as possible.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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meh, think you're perhaps missing the point if you think there's a point to be missed!!!!
lol, waiting-for-snow-frustration? or just some fine trolling? Anyway I look badass when i line up my topsheets
dont most racers have a left and right? have seen L and R written on racer's skis in the lift lines, or sometimes even arrows <and> for the less literate of racers I presume
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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barry, yep, but that's down to gates and edge prep,
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law of averages
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law of averages - will that kick in before you knacker your inside edges? what about when skiing in Scotland?
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let's put it this way, we service skis, there's a massive difference in livespan when people stick to a leftie and a rightie, so dinnie
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If you have asymmetrical skis, and you pull a 180, do you have to swap them over in mid air before you land?
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paulio, depends if yer graphics still look sick gannin backwards
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Weren't their some in the late eighties - Dynastars maybe? I remember they had different coloured squares on the graphic, and were supposed to behave differently, depending on which one you wore on which foot.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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As someone has said the Elan Amphibio
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You know it makes sense.
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| lynseyf wrote: |
| I thought Elan had this, the Amphibio? |
Yes- they have traditional camber tail to tip on the inside edge and a bit of tip rocker (maybe tail, but am not sure) on the outside edge. Were well reviewed at expertskier.com
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If you have "KneeBinding" on your skis, you will have dedicated right and left skis.
Jonathan Shefftz, who previously with KneeBinding, gave the following comment in another ski forum:
"the binding is indeed asymmetrical, in that each pair has a dedicated Left & Right binding, so that heel unit releases horizontally only to the inside, i.e., medially. If a skier were to inadvertently swap Left/Right skis, then any safety advantage would be eliminated, plus the binding might very well be highly prone to prerelease."
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Poster: A snowHead
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Atomic's Beta Race 9.28 and Beta Carv 9.11 used to have asymmetric sidecuts. Also those Fischer skis that were labeled 'Radarc' were asymmetrical.
There were a few Dynastar skis (probably the Fusion series) that were asymetrical shape.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Crusader wrote: |
If you have "KneeBinding" on your skis, you will have dedicated right and left skis.
Jonathan Shefftz, who previously with KneeBinding, gave the following comment in another ski forum:
"the binding is indeed asymmetrical, in that each pair has a dedicated Left & Right binding, so that heel unit releases horizontally only to the inside, i.e., medially. If a skier were to inadvertently swap Left/Right skis, then any safety advantage would be eliminated, plus the binding might very well be highly prone to prerelease." |
Yes, this came up when the Chairman of KneeBinding was posting on Epic. I didn't make the suggestion at the time, but have since thought that they should offer a plate system option http://blog.skilodgingrental.com/2011/11/29/kneebinding-thoughts-and-suggestions-.aspx
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Good point, but I don't think your suggestions were taken up by John Springer-Miller.
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I would have thought it possible, with modern carvers, to have different radii on the inside and outside edges, so that one way round you would have gentle GS skis, swap them over and you have a turny pair of Slalom skis ?
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Asymetric snowboards are a good idea and works well if you ride a forward stance (alpine, bx), it is absolutely pointless if you ride duck. On skis, why? The whole idea of asymetric is to centre the sidecut between toes and heels. If you want to play with sidecuts go vsr. That works brilliantly on skis and boards, if you don't believe me try Kessler's ski's or boards. His version is called klothoid.
Asymetric snowboards are still being made by the likes of Virus, but most manufacturers will not touch it as the cost implications are not worth it (race boards, trying to figure out how many regular/goofy boards to produce and two presses).
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Movement Freeheels are / were asymmetrical with about a 1m difference in the radius of the inner and outer edges. I had some- I sold them- too long, stiff and tricky for me.
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sorry forgot to mention that they are / were a telemark specific ski and with 75mm boots the bindings are either left or right so on tele skis an asymmetrical cut makes at least some sense possibly.
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| ed123 wrote: |
| sorry forgot to mention that they are / were a telemark specific ski and with 75mm boots the bindings are either left or right so on tele skis an asymmetrical cut makes at least some sense possibly. |
is that not just cause of the leash setup? (ie 75mm left and rights, leash on outside side of binding)
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barry, Duckbill is asymmetrical too - you know about when you put the wrong ski on.
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