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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The Western European Alps get around 100cm to 750cm of snow per season at village or mid-station levels.
Most resorts average around 200 to 600cm of snow per season.
Western Austria is the snowiest part of the Alps, averaging around 300 to 750cm.
For comparison, parts of northern Japan and northwest USA routinely average over 1000cm per season.
Western European Alpine snowfall has been declining by roughly 5% per decade since the 1970s. The Alps are drying up.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks Whitegold.
I'm looking for published sources - do you have links to the helpful info you have posted?
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http://en.skiinfo.com/ this website seems pretty good for snowfall info. Might be a good place to start looking.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Whitegold, It's just yadda yadda yadda from you isn't it?
wee wee off or contribute something helpful, intesting or useful. Or funny.
Weather is as weather does. The alps are doing what they do.
Hey ho....
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PeDaSp, never look for evidenced remarks from Whitegold. 
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Thanks folks - I don't want this thread to be a global warming argument!
Just factual research and graphs etc.
...my mouse is hovering above the "Ignore this (silly old) SnowHead" check-box 
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I wonder does skiclub of gb have some paper archives?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Ahem... www.metrosnow.co.uk & www.welove2ski.com are not exactly what I meant by "published sources".
I'm looking for scientific research with data, peer reviewed, and published in respected scientific journals; or thereabouts.
Alas, an off-shoot of the Daily Mail doesn't quite live up to those standards
But they are good practical reads none the less! Shows you were to go to get the most snow; and the western Austrian alps seems to be the place for that.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Tony Crocker is another stats geek skier (recently retired actuary) who has analyzed a lot of N.A. but has also been looking to find out more about Europe. His site is http://bestsnow.net/ He has referred to the Ski Club of GB as making some historical info available to its members
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| PeDaSp wrote: |
Ahem... www.metrosnow.co.uk & www.welove2ski.com are not exactly what I meant by "published sources".
I'm looking for scientific research with data, peer reviewed, and published in respected scientific journals; or thereabouts.
Alas, an off-shoot of the Daily Mail doesn't quite live up to those standards
But they are good practical reads none the less! Shows you were to go to get the most snow; and the western Austrian alps seems to be the place for that. |
Well, try wording your questions more clearly, then.
"Published sources" can mean many things.
If you're writing vague, Daily Mail-like questions, you'll get Daily Mail-type anwers.
Meteo France and PisteHors are good sources.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| Western European Alpine snowfall has been declining by roughly 5% per decade since the 1970s. The Alps are drying up. |
Where's the source for this FACT? I'd say 4 sample points spanning 40 years hardly constituents proof of a longer term pattern.
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http://www.peisey-info.com/Meteo/neige.pdf
if you can't read it all look at page 33:
i. decrease in precipitation from 1958 - 2008: -36% in the Maurienne, -10% in the Beaufortain
ii increase in temperatures: +1.9C
iii: snowfall: between -10 to -37 less days with snow on the ground (>10cm) and -36 to -50% less snowfall
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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davidof, A difficult read for me due to lack of french. Does the report propose any reason behind the observed differences in precip, snowfall and temps? Just down to warming or change in weather pattern, more blocking highs? What's the general theory of the impact in a rise in temps? More precip would seem reasonable, given no other pattern change, less snow at lower altitudes more higher up? That's a big difference in precipitation between two quite close locations. Just shows show localised weather is with the alps. Would need lots of datasets like this across to the alps to see the bigger picture. I await PeDaSp, analysis.
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davidof will you PLEASE stop your bloody trolling with this utterly unsubstantiated half-century long scientific study!
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| waynos wrote: |
| davidof, A difficult read for me due to lack of french. Does the report propose any reason behind the observed differences in precip, snowfall and temps? Just down to warming or change in weather pattern, more blocking highs? What's the general theory of the impact in a rise in temps? More precip would seem reasonable, given no other pattern change, less snow at lower altitudes more higher up? That's a big difference in precipitation between two quite close locations. Just shows show localised weather is with the alps. Would need lots of datasets like this across to the alps to see the bigger picture. I await PeDaSp, analysis. |
obviously this is one report from a number of discreet locations and Meteo France themselves don't see a significant drop in precipitation for the whole of the Rhone Alpes region. They also say no significant change above 2000m, which doesn't correspond to this report.
The Areche along with places like the Chartreuse see more precipitation than the interior ranges like Bessans but why has Bessans suffered more? A good question.
The warmer temperatures, according to the report, have two effects:-
i. more rain at lower levels
ii. the snow that does fall is denser so you have less depth, it might be better snow for skiing though
+1 Paulio (when is admin going to implement a real +1 button?)
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