 Poster: A snowHead
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We hear a lot on here about different fits of boots and a fair bit about boots with different last widths and shapes. Apart from the shape, how does the last compare with each forefront width for a race, performance or leisure fit? Not trying to fit my own boots here, but would like more of an understanding on what the last width actually means to the fit of the corresponding width of foot.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ok, so the lasts are measured on a size 26/26.5 and go (roughly) as this
race 92mm - 95mm
performance 97mm - 98mm these are mostly boots based on the race boots bit with a more relaxed fit often the "free ride" version of a boot model
not sure what to call this one... 99mm - 102mm still performance boots bit a bit more relaxed
comfort 103mm - 104mm classic comfort fit
there are wider boots out there but they are the extreme end of the "comfort " market
the above comes with the caveat that 97mm-98mm can be a comfort fit for a narrow foot, in fact 93mm can be comfort if the foot is narrow enough
you also have to remember that boots as they go up or down in size get wider or narrower proportionally so a 104mm foot in a size 23 is really wide but in a size 29 or 30 is actually pretty narrow
the manufacturers tend to make their top end boots in narrower widths so that better skiers who want a performance fit get a narrower boot...all good if it works for your foot but a good skier with a wide foot needs a wider boot, a beginner with a narrow foot needs a narrow boot and this is starting to come through in some models in lower flexes where a couple of seasons ago there was no narrow boot below a 120-130 flex
SMALLZOOKEEPER has a great way of putting it which i 100% agree with
replace the manufacturers definitions of beginner, intermediate, advanced and expert boot types with the words crap, average, good and great when you look at plastic quality..... we only sell good and great boots as nobody wants a crap pair!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So, is a 100 mm last, made for a 100mm wide foot in a comfort level of boot?
All good info, appreciated.
Measured my forefront whilst standing earlier and it is 107mm wide. What would a performance fit last width be?
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what size is your foot....if you are a size 26 then you have a pretty but not excessively wide foot, if you are a 28 for example then a 98-100mm boot with a little work (depending on foot shape/boot shape) will work no problems
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Current boots are 28.5. One boot looser than the other. Atomic m90.
Shoes range between 9.5 and 10.5.
I've been reading a lot about boots lately and was getting a wee bit concerned that my next boots might not be what I'm looking for due to wide feet. It's reassuring to hear that you think a 98-100 last boot may be ok for what I assume are wider feet.
This is all hypothetical stuff for now though as a boot fitter will be seen when the time comes. Just good to increase my own knowledge (and anyone else's) on the subject.
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shoogly, The foot may not be that wide if positioned on a good footbed, some of the width with come from the foot pronating and spreading out, so if this is controlled the foot may be a little narrower so in that size I would expect a 98mm to 100mm boot would be fine, just got to get the size and the shape correct for the foot as best you can then make adjustments for the lumps and bumps
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This thread is something I found applies to myself and is informative re the better performance boots widths.
It applies too board boots it seems better are narrow.
I have a broad question so any info would give a indication of possible width reduction !
Givern that generic or custom footbeds can reduce forefoot width.
How many mm,s reduction range is often possible with both types of footbed?
I have 270-273mm feet pronating unsupported with one-108mm the other-115mm wide aprox .
This season I will be on superfeet green and blue in snowboard boots but in the future would like to think about getting into salomons best narrow boot.
I probably am optimistic as its about 100mm wide in a 27 or 27.5
I think I would need a 26- 26.5 with a forefoot boot stretch and footbeds but wanted to get a idea on what width reduction is possible with footbeds alone ?
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Tirol 164, It really depends on the foot, some feet are pretty rigid and spread (or narrow) very little whatever you do to them, others are very flexible, a flexible pronating foot could spread by several mm on weight bearing and controlled correctly most of this can be reduced
I don't think it is possible to put a figure on it as you are dealing with such a unique item, different feet also react differently to different types of footbed
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pm on it's way CEM, with more specific questions. Thanks for taking the time to post to this thread... all really helpful.
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Thanks CEM probably like shoogly I will know a bit more after this season but with the superfeet in my case this dec.
If I can I,ll try riding the SF in a narrower boot then take it from that point just as a test.
It would be good to hear Shooglys progress on width reduction or what was needed and worked even if it is a individual example.
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Tirol 164, will keep you updated. won't happen until feb at the earliest though.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Thats ok for feb I have been slowly progressing my boot fit since 08/09 and actually look forward to a improvement each season.
Although Im in board boots, your aims, foot widths and performance boot widths are similar.
Skiers also seem way more clued up in the uk than the sales focused snowboard boot people, it seems at a lower level.
I want to understand it a little bit more as well its important when in odd locations with no transport or something goes wrong.
We can all pick a ski or board but this is harder just pleased to be heading in the right direction towards performance fit with no pain .
Now maybe... it looks possible to step that up to the Great type of narrow boot mentioned.
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