 Poster: A snowHead
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| endoman wrote: |
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@Steve Angus, back to the 21st century.
Looks like yesterday you got your female clients a part as extras in a Carry On film….or worse. 
What would a Carry On film in Val D’Isere have been named?? |
It's French, but set in Val D'Isere, Les Bronzes Font Du Ski, can get DVD of it. Best watching in French, can get it dubbed into English. Proper funny. |
In April 1975 5 Edinburgh University students (4 lads & 1 young lady) streaked down a piste in Murren. Thankfully no one had "social media" in those days - only old fashioned cameras with "film".
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@welshflyer, I've no idea how it's descended to this but (with apols to the OP of this thread)...
In the 2006 Winter Olympics, streaker Mark Roberts interrupted the men's bronze medal curling match between the U.S. team and the UK team, wearing nothing but a strategically placed rubber chicken.
I bet that was poultry in motion.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| PeakyB wrote: |
@vipul, @moosepig, @Kenzie, @Old Fartbag, @chocksaway, @endoman,
A ‘proper’ piste map shows you which way is north 
These are exactly 30 years old… |
So North is always at the top of the page, wherever you ate reading the map?
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| moosepig wrote: |
Yep... Aéroski, Trolles, Piste H... does anyone who's been there a while ever use the new names?
Interesting to see from that '93 map just how many pistes across the ski area have been upgraded in difficulty, with none being downgraded as far as I can tell. But... isn't skiing easier now, with all the modern gear, than it's ever been?  |
I try to but mentally revert back in my mind to the 'proper' names.
As to your other point - hmmmm totally - funny that eh... or maybe its the illusion that its easier and thus all the short cuts that are taken to get to this elite level of performance! I think the billions of € that is spent making it all look glamorous (marketing) and easy misses the point totally and lulls Joe Public into thinking fish, bash bosh the Face here I come!
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....otherwise loving all these chats about Carry on Films, old piste maps and streaking!
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It's my first visit to Val for a while and most of the changes are for the better. But I don't like the return from Solaise via long queue for the carpets or an uphill plod.
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@Steve Angus,
Re perception of skiing being dangerous - because sensible skiiers take out insurance, irrespective of their level - how many 'semi-pros' or outright amateurs in other sports would even think of doing so?
That said, skiing does have to contend with such hazards as snowboarders, the French (insert other johnny foreigner as appropriate), the English, students, those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above.
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| Kenzie wrote: |
| those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above. |
First day super-heros watching Instagram and Tik-Tok pros think they are that person and (try to) ski that way, they don't have the self awareness to behave otherwise.
Unless you do a sport regularly and get instruction, you won't realise you aren't awesome, are actually a bit poo-poo and need to improve.
I had an instructor who once told me the first step to getting better is realising you are poo-poo, he was right!
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There are some long lift queues this week and I have been teaching my family that it doesn't matter if we split up. Twice today one of us filled the sixth slot in a six seater only to find that the other five refused to move, leaving five seats empty. There is so much really inconsiderate and selfish behaviour.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Kenzie wrote: |
| ...those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above. |
...who are almost exclusively Male. The Female skiers I know are usually better than they think.
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Agree 100% with that!
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You know it makes sense.
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| Jehu wrote: |
| It's my first visit to Val for a while and most of the changes are for the better. But I don't like the return from Solaise via long queue for the carpets or an uphill plod. |
Sorry... just the bad week for it this week - not aways like that!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| NoMapNoCompass wrote: |
| Kenzie wrote: |
| those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above. |
First day super-heros watching Instagram and Tik-Tok pros think they are that person and (try to) ski that way, they don't have the self awareness to behave otherwise.
Unless you do a sport regularly and get instruction, you won't realise you aren't awesome, are actually a bit poo-poo and need to improve.
I had an instructor who once told me the first step to getting better is realising you are poo-poo, he was right! |
Too true.... See my comment above I use... Expert skiers realise that they're actually beginners! Me totally included in that sort of statement of course!
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Jehu wrote: |
| There are some long lift queues this week and I have been teaching my family that it doesn't matter if we split up. Twice today one of us filled the sixth slot in a six seater only to find that the other five refused to move, leaving five seats empty. There is so much really inconsiderate and selfish behaviour. |
Its bonkers isnt it. I just tell me groups "fill the gaps".... its a few mins at most.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Kenzie wrote: |
| ...those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above. |
...who are almost exclusively Male. The Female skiers I know are usually better than they think. |
I almost always find men over egg themselves and women sell themselves short. The number of times the 'husband presents the wife for a lesson but its actually the husband that really needs the lesson'. Its crazy.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Surely the reason most skiers take insurance is because they might otherwise have to pay Big Bucks to get mended away from the national health service. Most people who go on other sorts of holidays abroad take out insurance too.
Anyone taking a rugby or soccer team to play in France probably takes out insurance too, as would cyclists, walkers, etc.
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| Steve Angus wrote: |
| The number of times the 'husband presents the wife for a lesson but its actually the husband that really needs the lesson'. Its crazy. |
Ouch! Given the lesson we have booked next week is primarily for my wife.
But agree, I am horribly aware that I have shortcomings though at the moment the issue is my wife's confidence - primarily from missing a year due to Covid though there are other factors. However we will share the lesson which should do me good, but more importantly I find my wife has a much bigger incentive to show what she can do when her husband is being criticised!
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| Steve Angus wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Kenzie wrote: |
| ...those with exaggerated opinions of their own abilities, and combinations of the above. |
...who are almost exclusively Male. The Female skiers I know are usually better than they think. |
I almost always find men over egg themselves and women sell themselves short. The number of times the 'husband presents the wife for a lesson but its actually the husband that really needs the lesson'. Its crazy. |
After being watched by a good Instructor - the list of things that "could do with a little (read big!) improvement", can be quite an ego leveller....even if done diplomatically. 
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One thing I’m not going to fool myself about is the relative risk of injury from skiing/boarding, compared with other sports.
Although I’d love to think skiing is safer, of course.
Undoubtedly, more people are injured playing football and rugby than are injured sliding around snowy mountains. Isn’t that just because so many more people, for much longer periods of time, are chasing balls than sliding?
For any meaningful comparison of relative risks, you’d need a common unit of measurement. For example, ‘injuries per person hour of activity’ across the different sports. I doubt anyone has reliable data, though guesstimates might be possible.
Insurance costs are usually a good broad indicator of relative risks and they’re a lot higher for skiing than football.
The take home message for me is that sliding around mountains is significantly more dangerous than football or rugby.
Adapt behaviour accordingly. Look after one another. 
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Insurance for travel tends to cover quite a range of things other than injury.
In skiing you are using expensive equipment, rescue costs tend to be significant.
Contact sports tend to be more injury prone than other sports.
Personally I'd be surprised if skiing was anything like as risky as football or rugby.
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| PeakyB wrote: |
One thing I’m not going to fool myself about is the relative risk of injury from skiing/boarding, compared with other sports.
Although I’d love to think skiing is safer, of course. |
Again bit flat out at moment but this is exactly the assumptions that are ‘contested’. Will try and reply this evening when home from work but as an eg insurance costs in France ARE broadly similar between skiing and football etc as repatriation and all the rest of it which blow the insurance costs to gb nationals up, aren’t needed so much more like for like etc.
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| T Bar wrote: |
Insurance for travel tends to cover quite a range of things other than injury.
In skiing you are using expensive equipment, rescue costs tend to be significant.
Contact sports tend to be more injury prone than other sports.
Personally I'd be surprised if skiing was anything like as risky as football or rugby. |
I read a quote from a retiring Italian international rugby player this am. He is 39 and doesnt think we will see many late 30s players in the future as most of their careers will have been curtailed due to injury.
He says when he started, rugby was a contact sport - its now a collision sport.
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To quote a Brit Chalet Company ops manager “When it comes to the ski rental form DIN set up statistics: knock one level off a males assessment of his ability and add 5 kg to a females assessment of her weight”.
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| chocksaway wrote: |
| To quote a Brit Chalet Company ops manager “When it comes to the ski rental form DIN set up statistics: knock one level off a males assessment of his ability and add 5 kg to a females assessment of her weight”. |
Quite I’ve heard that a few times before.
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@chocksaway, both apply in my case.
I also got mixed up in my French explanation of my vital stats once and told the ski technician I was 80cms tall and weighed 180kgs.
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You know it makes sense.
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@chocksaway, @Steve Angus, friend in Snowberry said brit blokes generally overestimate ability, brit women never get to speak because the brit blokes speak on their behalf, and Scandi's generally underestimate ability; "I'm ok I suppose" = regional junior champion.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| chocksaway wrote: |
| To quote a Brit Chalet Company ops manager “When it comes to the ski rental form DIN set up statistics: knock one level off a males assessment of his ability and add 5 kg to a females assessment of her weight”. |
That’s really funny. I shall remember that.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| T Bar wrote: |
Insurance for travel tends to cover quite a range of things other than injury.
In skiing you are using expensive equipment, rescue costs tend to be significant.
Contact sports tend to be more injury prone than other sports.
Personally I'd be surprised if skiing was anything like as risky as football or rugby. |
Yea agree!
PeakyB - agree on the adapt behaviour accordingly and share the love... for sure.
However to give a little more on my thinking on the insurance / danger v footy etc...
(of course there are stats, stats and lies in these things isnt there.... but here goes)...
-So Tignes / Val has 40000 sliders this week...
- x 6 days on average usage - lets call it 200,000 skier days this week in the EK area.
- On average say 5 hours mountain time a day (yes there is lift time and food breaks etc)... so lets call it 1,000,000 sliding hours this week
- Official stats in the industry suggest there will be 1.5 (closer to 1 for skiers and slightly over 2 I seem to recall for boarders) per 1000 persons needing some of 'help' a day... anything from getting lost, injuries (including suspected injuries!) both bad and minor and of course people needing help to get down a slope they shouldnt be on (yes have seen people call pisteurs for a skidoo ride down before). SO that works out at about 280 persons needing medical attention a week... of course some might be walk ins and there will be those who just get bangs and bruises etc but can't include the unknown in stats like this.
- lets take a game of footy with 22 people on the field for 90 mins of play... if 10 games were played then there is a reasonable chance someone would need some sort of medical attention of some sort e.g a cut that needs stitches or someone gets minor concussion for example. So 1 in 220 persons... if you scale that up to 40000 sliders in a resort this week thats about 180 people needing medical attention however a footy match last 90 mins whereas someone is actually skiing for say 10 hours during the week (in the line of danger e.g. standing on a slope / sliding down it etc). So based on that sort of metric you can play footy for 90mins or do a weeks skiing and broadly the same chance of needing medical attention of some sort... min by min footy is more dangerous.
Further calculations show that if 1,000,000 hours of footy were played and equating it to 1,000,000 sliding hours a week in Val / Tignes that about 1000 incidents (based on 1 incident per 900 mins of playing) in the footy matches would be recorded... against the circa 280 incidents skiing.
But yea on the insurance point a lot is to do with the point made that ski insurance has kit / repatriation / cancellation and curtailment costs included in it.
If all else fails ill use personal experience... I think in all my years and hours on the mountain ive had skiers thumb a couple of times, few cuts and bruises but nothing that I would consider a real injury and ive not been blood wagoned off (touch wood) ever. And before anyone says 'but you're skiing most of the time WELL within your abilities much of the time' - well yes I am but also subject to students potentially taking me out... leading 's' snakes down slopes and doing drills and demos 'in the fast lane with idiots buzzing around', putting tracks in in bad snow off piste / leading people in white outs when can't see a blooming thing ahead of you etc
Thats my tuppence!
BTW I was in hysterics re 80cms tall and 180kgs - can you IMAGINE - haha!
GreenDay - quite a statement that re a collision sport
Dr John - Thats awesome - that was either Al, Nick or Arjon (or Shah but I doubt it) that said that - must have been.
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@Steve Angus, you make many good points in the ski v footie danger debate. I'm relieved I packed in amateur league footie at 43. I can tell you've been a Maths teacher. Now where did I put my log table book?
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BTW I was in hysterics re 80cms tall and 180kgs - can you IMAGINE - haha!
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Well I'm getting closer to that, year by year 
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My son in law, a PE teacher, was a very good amateur soccer player but he gave it up not just because of the injury rate but because so many of the injuries were deliberately inflicted. And as I've noted before in these pages, horse-riding kills more kids than Ecstasy.
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@James the Last, what do they define as an “injury”? Self reported? Certified by med professional? Something requiring medical attention?
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@Steve Angus,
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As always there’s stats, lies and damn lies isn’t there. But fascinating non the less
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What about fatality and 'serious life-changing injury' rates across different sports?
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