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Slides on every aspect across the whole of Val & Tignes. 4 risk for 3rd day in a row after new snow (very rare). Base nowhere near stabilising. Only safe off-piste is meadow noodling which I'm not really interested in. Reports of 5 caught in St Foy today and still searching for 1. Remember we tend to only hear about the deaths and near misses. You can survive a slide but come out of it severely beaten up, traumatised and with lost equipment. Risk/reward doesn't stack up for me right now.
However the pistes are in brilliant condition and it's bluebird sky, relatively warm weather, and quiet. So that's what me and my little crew are doing and loving it.
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| Dr John wrote: |
Slides on every aspect across the whole of Val & Tignes. 4 risk for 3rd day in a row after new snow (very rare). Base nowhere near stabilising. Only safe off-piste is meadow noodling which I'm not really interested in. Reports of 5 caught in St Foy today and still searching for 1. Remember we tend to only hear about the deaths and near misses. You can survive a slide but come out of it severely beaten up, traumatised and with lost equipment. Risk/reward doesn't stack up for me right now.
However the pistes are in brilliant condition and it's bluebird sky, relatively warm weather, and quiet. So that's what me and my little crew are doing and loving it. |
I said first week of Dec when I was there that the weak later which at that point was about 10cm down was going to create a sh1tshow later in the season when it snowed. Then that super cold spell made things even worse. Whole snowfall is sitting on that initial layer plus others now. Will take quite some time to settle, some rain would be useful !
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Any news on Marmottes lift
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Marmottes update
My STVI friend says the following:
"it’s bad news but it should be ready in the next few weeks. New gearbox is arriving around the 20th… Hopefully won’t take more than a few days to install it and make sure everything’s ready once it’s arrived. But just to clarify the 20/01 is the estimated date of delivery, not the ouverture "
So end of the month hopefully! (Reading between his lines to me!)
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Happy engagement anniversary Steve and Clare. Great photo!
Thoroughly enjoying your off-piste stories over on IG this week. Way beyond my current capabilities, but magical to watch. Do you enjoy trying to lay neat lines next to each other?
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@Steve Angus, The cafe next to the ESF office in the bowels of the Palafour. Floss.
As to making the papers - avalanches are clearly on the agenda of politicians etc in the local area so there is a bit of a 'pile on'. Luckily the ABS saved the skier but there are a couple of big lessons to be seen from the videos that are doing the rounds - one don't jump into an avalanche prone slope on a lee side of a hill on a risk 4 day, ride gently. Secondly, how pernicious propagation can be - the way the multiple slides triggered is illuminating.
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I’m not a big instagram user,
Can anyone tell me how to find those videos? I can see Steve’s page but rhe latest video I can watch says posted 8 mins ago and is about turn shape off piste??
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@kitenski, if you're in Steve's insta page, just click his photo roundel (top left). That has his most recent 'stories' that disappear after 24 hours
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 And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Steve and Claire arena great follow.
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@mistral, thank you
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 You know it makes sense.
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Very new here but very much enjoying your posts - thank you for putting in the time and thought, sharing photos and local news, etc. It's an incredibly useful resource for those doing trip planning and also interesting in itself as a chronicle of daily life out there.
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| HerecomesCarol wrote: |
| Very new here but very much enjoying your posts - thank you for putting in the time and thought, sharing photos and local news, etc. It's an incredibly useful resource for those doing trip planning and also interesting in itself as a chronicle of daily life out there. |
Thanks so much! Very kind words.
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P.S. It started snowing up at fornet this afternoon and is now snowing lightly in town now too - a retour is well and truly underway!
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Hi Steve. Love the thread. Not your back yard, bit What's Bonneville looking like with the extended retour? That's usually a great weather pattern for the top of the Maurienne
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For all their boasting of 'size' US resorts when you look at slopes length are not actually that big! Areas like Val and Tignes have MANY more hundreds of KM's on their lift passes. I guess the way you 'measure' resorts is open to interpretation but pure piste length is one thing!!!
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From a quick look, I've skied about 9 of those areas. As a mainly piste skier, all felt small to me, having been to EK, 3V and Paradiski a lot.
That's why size in the US is often quoted in acres. For example, 1600 skiable acres sounds more impressive than 52 miles of piste at Purgatory (Durango).
Many were enjoyable though and off pisters should find plenty to do. I imagine being an instructor in one small area, year after year, could get very repetitive!
As for boasting, I can think of one US citizen who'd describe them something like 'the greatest, most fantastic ski areas, of all time, in the history of the human race'.
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| RickBoden wrote: |
| Hi Steve. Love the thread. Not your back yard, bit What's Bonneville looking like with the extended retour? That's usually a great weather pattern for the top of the Maurienne |
Hi. Glad you like! Try my best. Yes for sure BonnVAL (not ville) is indeed good with the retour especially being at the top end of he Maurienne valley 100%!
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For all their boasting of 'size' US resorts when you look at slopes length are not actually that big! Areas like Val and Tignes have MANY more hundreds of KM's on their lift passes. I guess the way you 'measure' resorts is open to interpretation but pure piste length is one thing!!!
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From a quick look, I've skied about 9 of those areas. As a mainly piste skier, all felt small to me, having been to EK, 3V and Paradiski a lot.
That's why size in the US is often quoted in acres. For example, 1600 skiable acres sounds more impressive than 52 miles of piste at Purgatory (Durango).
Many were enjoyable though and off pisters should find plenty to do. I imagine being an instructor in one small area, year after year, could get very repetitive!
As for boasting, I can think of one US citizen who'd describe them something like 'the greatest, most fantastic ski areas, of all time, in the history of the human race'.  |
Yes you are right - there are stats, more stats and darn lies out there aren't there! Yea I think the limitation of only working your whole life in 1 place would be tiresome for sure!
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chocksaway - yes ive heard about this. Im really confused about it to be honest as the main couloir route is SOOOOOOOOOO often skied and there was not really any change in temps with only minimal fresh snow overnight that I cant work out how this could have happened. I suspect the slide was off the main route and quite possibly in the trees either side or on the rarely skied slopes above that could have taken the snow down into the couloir rather than the couloir itself sliding. Either way another sad one as you say!
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P.S. As well as the slide in the L'Avancher couloir today there was a slide in the Lavachet trees near Tignes Le Lac the other day - an ESF guide was hospitalised from it apparently! Speculation is that it is being kept out of the press for fear of bad PR for the reds - thats a rumour ive heard! The guide was in a bad way but is much improved I now believe.
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@Steve Angus, I did wonder - I did note there was a lot of wind transport up in Pissailas, the best snow was on east/north east pitches. I had considered Col Pers but then thought better of it. L’Avancher would be a similar orientation. Alternatively he could have had a massive tumble and set off the deep weak layer??
I know of one part buried that was in Bois de La Laye a few days ago. Don’t know if it was a man in red, it did make one report somewhere, but then was lost in the reporting of deaths.
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Just booking some restaurants for end of January.
La Peau de Vache - As they want a CC I'm just checking if
a) competent red skiers can ski the upper part of the Face? I've seen some suggestions online that it is ok before the restaurant.
b) if Loyes is shut that Bellevard is downloadable?
What's another must visit that isn't the Folie?
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Oh. Now I see that there is actually a red down from it as well. Never mind about the downloadable part.
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@afterski, The first three quarters of the Face run from the top of Belvarde is quite nice, and easilly do-able for a red run skier. However, once you're on it you're booked and bound. Then you get to a right turn, and a narrow path/track traversing back across the face of the mountain for perhaps 200m. It's not that steep, but if it's busy it might bother a weaker skiier. That leads you to a ledge - we call it lemmings leap because there is usually a row of people stopped and looking over the edge. Basically from there it's a steep but very wide run that is (IMV) dark red/light black. The snow is usually Ok on this, and it's not used for racing so there won't be any water injected ice on it. It can however get quite moguled. The Peau is at the bottom of this steep bit.
The run from the Peau down to Val is proper black in my book. If anyone didn't like the run to the Peau then they certainly won't like it from the Peau down. You can either go up Loyes to the top, or down Belvarde Express. Both chairs take pedestrians.
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@Judwin, Do you mean that red down to the village as shown on the piste map is actually a black? Or you mean the bottom section of the Face?
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| afterski wrote: |
| @Judwin, Do you mean that red down to the village as shown on the piste map is actually a black? Or you mean the bottom section of the Face? |
The easiest way to get to Peau de Vache is to take Bellevarde Express up to the restaurant, and when you leave, to traverse towards the Loyes chairlift to ski down the Joseray red, as the final pitch of the Face black is indeed unforgiving!
Even more unforgiving is the price tag of Peau de Vache; it was just about okayish pre-Covid when burgers were ~25-30€ each, but unjustifiable IMO at the current ~40-50€ price point.
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@afterski, The top half of Face is (relatively) easier than the bottom half, but you still have to negotiate the steep pitch just before the Peau known locally as Lemmings Leap. Chicken run might be open, might not. Joseray is marked as red, but it's a Val d'Isere red not a 3V red, especially after a good lunch.
I agree with wot @balso said about the prices. Consider L'empreinte Avaline (Grand Pre) and Maison Louly (Bellevarde) as alternatives. Both great (Maison Louly terrace has the best views for lunch in the Alps, imho) and only mildly eye-watering prices as opposed to full on second mortgage.
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I actually hadn't looked at the prices on the menu until you mentioned it. That is an impressively expensive burger!
Snails and a beer it is then. Will look at the other recommendations.
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| afterski wrote: |
| I actually hadn't looked at the prices on the menu until you mentioned it. |
Make it a habit in Val d'Isère, definitely
Now, some expensive places are also good value. L'Edelweiss comes to mind.
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@Steve Angus, I did wonder - I did note there was a lot of wind transport up in Pissailas, the best snow was on east/north east pitches. I had considered Col Pers but then thought better of it. L’Avancher would be a similar orientation. Alternatively he could have had a massive tumble and set off the deep weak layer??
I know of one part buried that was in Bois de La Laye a few days ago. Don’t know if it was a man in red, it did make one report somewhere, but then was lost in the reporting of deaths. |
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Yes similar aspect as you say! Reckon Col Pers if you work the gradients would be OK - lower down out the wind where it gets steeper 'better'. I think the massive tumble option could be a possibility. I have seen this annotated OS map which suggests it was above and behind the main entrance to the couloir where it started from therefore that would make sense that they traversed in from the piste potentially and as it gets steeper on snow that is not very often skied could have slid and ended up in the couloir area.... that would make more sense to me as the couloir itself gets a LOT of traffic in it all the time - I skied it on Friday actually!
Yes re the 'man in red' see my comment above - I believe so!
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afterski - as others have said.... my take on it. The bit above the Peau is just as bad if not worse than parts of the lower bit IMO. Also the red down from the Peau - well its a Val red as others have said - dont take it too lightly. You can go up and down on the Bellevarde chair if needs be unless there is wind and they will stop pedestrians on it! After a beer and end of the day the lower part to the bottom whichever way you go is not easy! Yes look around for decent eating options that wont break the bank!
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Borrowed from Waynes blog.... yea looks like coming in from the cliffs and steep terrain skiers left as you descend the couloir to me. So it started somewhere top right as you look rather than down the couloir itself!
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