 Poster: A snowHead
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| Steve Angus wrote: |
| ....but as soon as a child does a death wedge (massive breaking but futile snowplough) |
Seen this plenty of times, including with my own daughter (not that I've taught her I hasten to add). Thank you for putting a name to it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| gatecrasher wrote: |
snowball, if you think this is gobledewhatsname, have a good read here.....
http://www.mechanicsofsport.com/skiing/basic_mechanics/lateral_weight.html
I am still reading, but my head is starting to hurt now!
Edit, an extract:
"You also need to lean backwards slightly if the gradient increases, to keep the weight over the middle of the skis"
I think I may stop reading now!... |
That's nothng compared to many discussions on here. At least it is presented in simple terms not requiring specialist terminology.
However your sample sentence is horrible - it gives quite the wrong impression.
And the whole thing is at a very basic stage before proper carving, not to mention the shifts of weight the racers deem necessary to accelerate themselves optimally out of turns.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think you're being too harsh on the video clip guy - who wouldn't accept the word of someone wearing tighty whiteys with a knee brace on the outside.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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snowball, it's probably more worrying that people are able to understand what the diagrams are attempting to portray.
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I'd also wondered if / when I could try and teach him to telemark- he really wants to- and where I might get some junior tele gear without spending another fortune?
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Braemar mountain sports http://www.braemarmountainsports.com/ or Mountain Spirit http://www.mountainspirit.co.uk/ should be able to do kids telekit. My friends 11year old son got telekit from Braemar mountain sports last season.
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Ouch paulio 
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I can't believe all you instructors are so far behind the curve - the swishy turn is clearly next level, you'll all be rockin it in a few years time when BASI catches up.
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fatbob, I've been practising the shoulder thing all evening, but just can't seem to get it... 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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How did someone get hold of that video of me? 
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You know it makes sense.
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Proper entertainment. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
I love the fact that there is a piste patrol in the background erecting a "Caution: Idiot At Work" sign to ensure no innocent skiers got harmed in the making of this video. Quality customer service in that resort. Respect!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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snowball, ...excellent find...I particularly like:
Breaking The Rules
There is a situation though where both lateral and longitudinal weight distribution do not work as described. If the edges of the skis are dug into the snow too much they will have too much resistance and will not let the skis slide sideways, stopping weight distribution having the same effects. For both longitudinal and lateral weight distribution to work as explained, the skis need to be able to slide sideways, so that they can turn. The edges are used like this when carving, but that uses different rules to make turns.
On to the Stance section.
PLEASE NO....STOP NOW....NOT ONTO THE STANCE SECTION!!!!.....
And now, the two thousand page description of how to scratch your right ear.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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That would be funny if it weren't so sad. But at least he called him Bro and Dude a lot, so clearly he had the lingo sorted.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Why 'pizza'? Are his children too stupid to know what a 'triangle' is? Also, pizzas are circular, which might be where the confusion lay.
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When I start teaching jr. to snowplough I'm just going to shout a lot of triangular shaped things at him.
"Dairylea! Triforce! Chicken's beak! Concorde! A LADY'S MINGE!"
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Poor little chap, not the most confidence building way to learn, saw a few like this at Hemel the other week with parents trying similar things, I'm surprised they weren't booted off!
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gatecrasher, happens every weekend at Hemel, very similar to the video sadly...
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paulio: re pizza. Yes, some children when they are first learning aren't all that sure what a triangle is, but that to me isn't the main reason. It's more fun, and the children think it is silly and/or funny, and if they are having fun they will learn more quickly and want to do it again. I prefer slice of cake and chips rather than pizza, as you inevitably find a child who doesn't like pizza, but I've yet to find one who objects to cake. I quite like the dairylea idea though. For older children (including adults) I find wedge is a better term than triangle as it has connotations of resistance.
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with personal grooming the way it is another could be almost any shape
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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pam w, And in the ungroomed state, that could lead to a lot of variation in 'stance width' 
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Surely skiing is middle class enough that he could shout 'quiche' rather than 'pizza'.
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You know it makes sense.
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| paulio wrote: |
| Surely skiing is middle class enough that he could shout 'quiche' rather than 'pizza'. |
paulio, that was obviously the root cause of failure!
At least the author of the vid did one thing right, he posted it on YouTube to show others what a complete twonk he is!
skimottaret, what I found with Hemel is I feel more comfortable with my little one skiing gates there than doing recreational sessions!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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gatecrasher, does jnr race with HSRC?
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Poster: A snowHead
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"She's got some rectangular baking trays; would those do?"
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Excellent.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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skimottaret, yes she does she's 12 so I guess not so little anymore, you probably won't see much of her though as It's a bit of a trek for us so we tend to come up for the later session every 3 weeks or so, it's a shame they don't do weekend ones!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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That pizza video - I keep asking myself, how the hell did it get on youtube. It's obviously from the Dad's helmet cam. Did he post it.... the mind boggles.
BTW - a ski instructor taught our daughter pizza and chips - so it's not just idiot parents who use those terms!
On the subject of teaching kids, we've taken this approach:
mornings - ski school (jardin de neige originally)
afternoon - skiing with Mum and Dad for fun for as long as they want to (originally just messing about in the snow)
I didn't want to try to teach them for a couple of reasons
a) I'm an experienced and pretty technically competent skier who is able to make little suggestions to intermediate/advanced skiers (you could do that a little more, think about it like this, etc) but I don't have a good idea about how to guide someone down the path from beginner to parallel skier. I don't know the right drills and I don't know the descriptions that work for young children. I also realise that I didnt know the basics of snow-plough although reading the descriptions made perfect sense.
b) I really think there is a benefit in kids having teaching time and fun time. Sometimes a parent who is a skilled teacher is still not the right person to teach their child. And it's good for them to just ski a bit.
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"BTW - a ski instructor taught our daughter pizza and chips - so it's not just idiot parents who use those terms!"
Agreed have heard instructors use it, the terms aren't the problem, the difference is the instructor would have taught the child how to make "turns" and control their speed way before taking them on an open run like this!
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Just wanted to add our experiences here
son leant to ski in ski school at 3/4 years old. In the afternoon we tried to support this by skiing with him on very easy green run, I am not a very confident skier, husband slot better but at this point not qualified so we just sort of did what we had seen French families do, skiing with son on pole or between legs, which was frustrating for all involved and clearly quite dangerous.
we then as a family joined our local ski club at a dry slope, and husband was quickly recruited and did instructors course, he now teaches junior club most Saturday morning.
would still add people are always surprised when we say we always pay for our kids to go to ski school each holiday, but we find it is so important, we get time to ourselves, but the kids get good quality induction and shown around the mountain.
Fast forward to this year and number 1 son is now a pretty good skier, gained esi crystal diamond aged 8, daughter now 4 gained bronze mouse, but more importantly had fun in her lessons and made friends with other children, and both of them managed to say a few words in French to their instructor. In the afternoons we skied together as a family, but no instruction was given by me or husband. The was slot of shouting 'turn' to the 4 year old and 'slow down wait for mummy' to the. 8 year old but no instruction and I think we enjoyed our time skiing all the more for that
Anyway just my 2p worth
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FWIW I recall seeing a long string of kids prefixed with a red coated female instructor this year - she led them down the piste very clearly shouting "pizza..............chips..................pizza............chips etc" respectively on turns and traverses
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Nothing wrong with pizza and chips for kids - but you need an alternative as there's always one who doesn't like pizza!
FWIW, despite being qualified to teach them ourselves we've sent ours to ski schools too - they listen and learn in a completely different way when they're with someone else who isn't mum or dad!
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Me too; I'm a qualified instructor (similar story to fizz) but still get the other instructors at the club to teach my children, and will do the same on holiday.
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There is no way I could have taught mine I knew even less than they did!! I was happy to send them to half day ski school from around 3 years old. In the afternoon I was very lucky as we went on holidays with my Swiss friends. Their kids who were about 6-9 mths older respectively than my two were just in front of mine skiing ability wise having been on the snow about a year longer with a couple of weeks total greater experience. In the afternoons my friends (who were on skis before they could walk!!) would take my kids off with theirs and all the kids skied together, each child striving to stay in touch with their age peers. The result being that it wasn't long before mine were skiing to a similar standard as my friends kids, and winning the ski school races in front all the local home classes of Swiss kids - much to the chagrin of the Swiss families (I never will forget it!! ). It is worth noting that despite their evident experience neither of my friends attempted to teach their own kids - theirs, as mine, did 1/2 day ski school during every holiday.
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Poor little chap indeed. He hung in there bravely, didn't he? FWIW I've heard many good instructors talk to kids "pizza" - they do mean a slice. Most kids don't eat whole ones. 
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