Poster: A snowHead
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Hi there.
fIrst time poster! Can anyone recommend a nice quiet, pretty resort that is good for beginners (does't need to be huge!) that would also be good for non-skiers?
Thanks!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sundaypapers, welcome to Snowheads. What will your non-skiers want to be doing with their time? Some people want sophisticated shops and day trips, others are happy with some pretty snowy walks, some cosy cafés and a pile of good books.
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I think enjoying the scenery and the local produce... and some painting perhaps. Definitely cultural activities over retail!
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Sundaypapers, when were you planning on going? Any preference for country?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Actually planning to go over christmas. If we can find somewhere that'll have us! In terms of countries... France, Austria, Switzerland, Italy etc. Anywhere in mainland Europe, within a couple of hours flight from London.
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St. Johann in Tirol might be good for you. There are good beginners' areas, e.g. at the Eichenhof lifts (a bit away from the centre but reachable by bus) and also on the other side of the town.
For non-skiers the town itself is quite attractive. The main lift is a gondola, so it is easy for non-skiers to get up and down the mountain, if they want to see a bit of what the others are up too. It would also be possible to take the train to Kitzbühel or perhaps even Salzburg (ca. 2 hrs) for a day out.
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Sundaypapers, there really are absolutely masses of places which would tick your boxes. so, to narrow it down a bit, a few more questions:
Are you happy to do a DIY trip, booking your own flights and hiring a car to drive to the resort, or do you want a tour operator package?
Or drive from the UK?
What kind of accommodation - hotel, catered chalet or a self catering apartment/chalet?
What sort of budget?
Are all the skiers beginners? How many? Ages?
Don't worry about availability - Christmas should be fine, and quieter than New Year, though there are a few issues about changeover dates.
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espri, There's a very good hotel right on the piste at the Eichenhof! And the hut at the top of the beginners area was always one of my favourites. Some excellent self-catering available as well in that part of town.
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Seefeld in Austria may be a good option.
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I'd agree with pam w, you need to narrow it down a bit first-also check out the search feature. In saying that I'll give you a bit of general advice, it's quite hard to get all you want but not impossible. To me a good beginners resort is somewhere with easy access to the nursery slopes IF you are complete beginners, lot sof resorts fufill this but allot of the time it depends on your accomadation choice.
Pretty resort? I've only really every skied in the huge French resorts, I'd call none of these pretty, with the exception of Chamonix I'd also say that none of these is interesting enough to amuse non-skiers, but I'd not suggest sending beginners to Cham either. I've been to Le Rosiere, that was great for beginners, nice village but nothing I saw to entertain non-skiers for a week-you could head to Bourg San Maurice-the town in the valley I've spent very little time there though, you could choose to base yourselves there and have access to several great ski areas, hopefully I'm starting to get the picture that it's difficult to tick alll your boxes?
I'd look at Austria, most resorts tend to be proper towns as opposed to the purpose built French resorts built up the mountain. You sometimes sacrifice convenience for this in Austria, ski in ski out is less common than in France generally unless you pick your accomadation carefully, ski in ski out does exisit in plenty of places in Austria but the UK TO's don't tend to have them.
Take a look at Kitzbuhel, one of the prettiest ski towns anywhere, and plenty for none skiers. It's not small in terms of ski area, and I haven't been over Chritmas to comment on how quiet it will be. You have to pick your accomadation carefully if you want easy access to the nursery slopes but buses and ski lockers make it not too much of a chore, if you've been nowhere else you'll not know any different.....
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How about Wengen in Switzerland. Nice and quiet - you reach it by mountain railway - stunning scenery, lots of walks etc, v easy for non skiers to meet skiers as much of the transport is either railways or cable car, and nursery slope right in the centre of the village. Only slight downside is that the blues you progress to aren't perhaps as easy as some other resorts. And of course the exchange rate.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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nursery slope right in the centre of the village.
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which might, or might not, have snow on it. Pretty places also tend to be low, and at present weather is very mild. And is Wengen quiet at Christmas? Most places aren't, though it's a bit less busy than New Year.
Christmas is very early in the season for skiing. Ideally you need somewhere with easy access, for beginners, to nursery slopes at the top of the mountain (plenty of places have that option, even if the village itself is low and therefore less snowsure).
If you want pretty well guaranteed snow right outside your accommodation, and you want to book it now, you probably need to go for somewhere high, purpose built and far from pretty. Without much to offer non skiers.
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pam w wrote: |
... Ideally you need somewhere with easy access, for beginners, to nursery slopes at the top of the mountain ... |
That's an interesting point. Here in Fieberbrunn the best beginners' area is at the middle station of the cable car and I had always thought that was rather a disadvantage. But, as you point out, that could be useful if snow is scarce down below.
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You know it makes sense.
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espri, I also think that, provided it's easy to get up there (and down again) it's much more exciting for beginners to be right up there in the mountains. For small kids proximity to accommodation is vital, but for adults, it's often the feeling of being up in the mountains which makes them realise just what everyone has been banging on about.
When I've been in places with nursery slopes "right in the village" they've often been pretty slushy. It's nice to have both if possible, but......
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Poster: A snowHead
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pam w wrote: |
espri, I also think that, provided it's easy to get up there (and down again) it's much more exciting for beginners to be right up there in the mountains. |
Another good point. It must be my Scottish upbringing - I was always thinking of paying for the lift Thanks, pam w - your comments have made me review my ideas.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, my wife and I leaned at Wengen over Christmas. The nursery slope had great snow and the resort was quiet until New Years Eve. Maybe We just got lucky Pam W.
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Sundaypapers, Tricky as non-skiers always suffer. I find a resort that has no snow in the valley but snow up a gondola is ideal then they can come up and meet up for lunch etc whilst enjoying walking around.
Hence Aosta/Pila in Italy should fit the bill but the tricky bit is where to stay. We stay up in Pila so the skiing is on the door step (huge easy area to ski, and up high so should be snow sure) but the non-skiers would have to go down to Aosta in the valley each day (20mins gondola ride). Or, if you need to get more brownie points, you could do it the other way and stay down in Aosta and come up the mountain each day to ski. 10Min walk from centre of town to the Gondola. Depends how much persuasion you need to get them to come.
Have a look at pilaski.co.uk and ring Carole who will sort you out if you want.
1.5hrs from Turin or 2.5hrs from Geneva (via Mont Blanc tunnel)
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Maybe We just got lucky
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you were lucky with snow - it's by no means always "great" at Christmas (though last season, Christmas was about as good as it got in many places....). But when snow is good pistes will be less crowded - because people can spread out.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Ah, I see Pam w
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Have a look at Villars.
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Ignoring the other factors for a moment - my sister, who is a regular non-skier, reckons Megeve is her top resort. She likes walking, shopping, coffee, good book etc. I've only skied there for a day but I know she was able to walk up and meet us for lunch (at bottom of La Petite Fontaine iirc)
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Megeve wouldn't be a bad bet, though it's pricey - some v sophisticated shops of the kind I wouldn't dare to go in, let alone ask any prices (the sort that don't put the prices on stuff in the window ). There's a new BASS ski school in Megeve - good tuition is v important for beginners.
The ski area is very beautiful, with Mont Blanc right in yer face. There are a number of opportunities for non skiers to meet you up the mountain (a high proportion of the people pottering round Megeve seem to be non skiers - they wouldn't feel left out).
The town is fairly low - I've driven through Megeve fairly frequently every year since 2002 as it's en route between our apartment and Geneva airport, where visiting friends and family tend to arrive. You could certainly not rely on pretty snow at village level at Christmas (though that's not unique to Megeve, it's probably true of most "proper" towns and villages, built down in the valleys.
We still need more info from the OP though, as to just what he is looking for.
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Sundaypapers,
One thing to be very aware of if the non skiers are planning on being in and around the resort a lot of places in December get very little sun light. Skiers who are up on the slopes are not always aware of this. A south facing balcony setting is ideal and often provides great views. Villages under steep north facing slopes are and in valey bottoms may be far from ideal even if the villagfe is pretty and the slopes good.
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