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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So true. Even worse in Lech where cigars seem to be the choice of the most annoying stinky thing in the bar. Could be worse in Colorado you often get the unmistakeable 'whiff' of that other completely obnoxious substance Marijuana.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I hate it, it's the biggest negative thing about Austria. Finding hotels which don't have ash trays in the room is a constant challenge. These places stink. They don't advertise that in their tourist brochures.
Smoking in [bubble] lifts is also common in Austria.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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They do have a law, it's just that it's not as outright a ban as other countries, and seemingly not as enforced (in some places).
As per another recent thread, the suggestion is to steer clear of umbrella bars, since they are <50 sq.m so can be smoking if the owner decides. Over 50 sq.m they are either non-smoking, or unenforced disregard of the law.
Every hotel I've been in EU wide has been 100% non smoking for years, including Austria. Gondolas too.
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| philwig wrote: |
Finding hotels which don't have ash trays in the room is a constant challenge. These places stink. They don't advertise that in their tourist brochures.
Smoking in [bubble] lifts is also common in Austria. |
- I've been to Austria 6/7 times and every hotel has been no smoking in rooms and common places and I've not made an effort to do this. I do always book via Booking.com and the tourist office so maybe I'm steering clear of traditional, brochure type places?
- Never experienced anyone smoking in bubble lifts, only the odd chairlift. Though smoking does let Austria down when it comes to Apres Bars, some Pubs/Clubs and the occasional restaurant which is a shame.
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Had to bail early on apes ski in Saalbach the other night. I couldn't stop coughing which doesn't exactly make for a great night out.
No smoking at my accommodation or in lifts though.
The worst place I've been for smoking is Japan. It's extremely popular with young people there too.
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Damn those men!
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It's amazing that we forget how bad it was in the bad old days of smoking indoors.....until we go to places where they still do it.
We where in Austria last year and just took our business elsewhere if there was smoking inside.
We firstly said a polite hello to the bar person, said we would love to stay for a drink (group of 10 of us) but where unable to because of the indoor smoking.
I'm not dictating to how other countries run their affairs / laws / rules as that's for them to decide but we all have a choice where to spend our money.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I found in Mayrhofen there were only two places where anyone was smoking out of the many bars we went to. One was almost outdoor, an umbrella with outdoor space around it and other closed indoor areas you could go to eat and drink, the other was a small bar with loads of apres going on. It was a bit weird, because there were seats and space outside, so easy for smokers to just take the party to the terrace if they want.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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easy for smokers to just take the party to the terrace if they want.
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Smokers generally don't realise, or don't care, how offensive their habit is to non-smokers, even in a relatively small bar. I was in such a bar last night and started to feel uncomfortable because of the amount of smoke. I looked to see who was smoking, and they were all English - I actually knew some of their companions and spoke to others, so I know that for certain. It was a mild night - above freezing. My point being that, even British smokers, who are now accustomed to going outside for a fag, and who one might think are educated about how people now regard passive smoking, just don't care about inflicting it on non-smokers.
In the bars of Austria I have been struck by the number of 20-somethings, including many girls, who virtually chain-smoke. They gain support from kindred spirits - why go outside if they can see others smoking.
I was discussing the forthcoming ban with the manager of the bar in question, and he was worried that so many of his regular customers smoke, and that going outside might not be an acceptable solution because the hotels would complain about noise, and the police would be continually having to step in.
One guy I recently spoke to said that the introduction of the ban would be the trigger or incentive he needs to give up (although that is an addict speaking so can probably be taken with a pinch of salt).
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I must admit it amazes me as well how many young people smoke today, even with all the health warnings and restrictions put in place. you only have to walk past any office complex to see all the smokers congregating outside for their hourly social gathering, same as in pubs and clubs, sometimes there are more people outside than in!!!
by the way, we were in Austria over xmas, and I was pretty worried when I had read on snowheads before we went about the lack of a smoking ban, but to be honest I did not see much of it to worry about, though we were not going out to restaurants or apres bars.
but it would seem the further east you travel across Europe the more they smoke
I would be devastated if my kids smoked, but they know how much I detest the habit so I am sure they wont start, am getting more worried about vaping, especially with my fashion conscious eldest daughter with all the bling vaping gizmos around
it would be interesting to see how much productivity Is lost in the workplace when smokers down tools and bug off for a fag. I run a business in the construction industry and only let the smokers go for one fag break during the day, and also one towards the end of their break. had an agency bloke bug off home after the site induction on his first day because of the lack of smoking breaks I allowed, but after all I am paying them to work and not socialise (smoke). if I can, I try and give external works to the smokers, as they can puff away to their hearts content for all I care!!!
same goes for mobile phones at work, p!!!!s me off big time when they get calls from their other halves to discuss what they are going to have for dinner that evening whilst at work, but strangely never receive calls during their break time!!!
sorry, rant over!!!!
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You know it makes sense.
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@terrygasson, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but the more you hate it, the more likely teenagers are to do it - I know this from personal experience. You'd probably be astonished to find how many weird and wonderful office problems I've managed to fix by going out for a smoke with people over the years, including some quite acrimonious HR issues that needed a gentle hand and some technical problems that nobody could work out a solution to and got some input from smokers who weren't involved.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Digger the dinosaur, fair enough, but still hope my kids don't take it up!!
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@Digger the dinosaur, I have given up, but agree with you. I would not want people blowing smoke in kids faces, but there will be bars with no smoking.
I nearly gave up after 10 seconds in the smoking room at Hong Kong airport.
Geneva (airport)is great for smokers, very comfy.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I couldn't stop coughing
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what is it with you and coughing on ski holidays, @Raven? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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imagine you are the first person to invent the cigarette and your going on the television programme dragons den to pitch your idea....dear judges i have this great new invention, its called the cigarette, its a bit of weed which contains 4000 chemicals including 43 that are known to cause cancer, it smells really horrible and stains your furnishings and fingers yellow, it leaves a horrible smell on your clothes and hair, its extremely addictive so when you start your hooked for life, and the best bit is, you set fire to it and put in your mouth, inhaling the poisonous chemicals and turning your lungs in to a black pit of tar, producing a high risk of lung cancer, i think this is a great idea and should be put on the market immediately.
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I'm amazed anyone can afford to smoke at ten quid a packet. I gave up years ago and can't stand it now.
I didn't actually find smoking in bars a problem in St Anton the other week. I think the (excellent) bar where Gunar now plays is non-smoking, and I didn't find the Mooserwirt smoky. I can't remember if people were smoking in the KK or Piccadilly, but anyway I can't say it was ever bad enough to bother me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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As far as I have experienced, all on-slope restaurants in the Arlberg are non-smoking and have been for years.
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| HoneyBunny wrote: |
| I'm amazed anyone can afford to smoke at ten quid a packet. ... |
The HSCIC ("NHS") publish some quick summary statistics here. From which (factoring in increases in income and inflation etc):
"As a result, tobacco has become 27% less affordable since 2005."
However Austria is different (this from 2015):
"Cigarettes are still relatively cheap in Austria compared to its European neighbours.
A pack of the most popular brands of cigarettes costs around €5.30 in Germany and €7.80 in Switzerland.
In Ireland and the UK cigarettes cost around €10."
When I was last in Sölden (May 2016), there were no open on-piste eating or coffee places which were smoke free. None. Contrast that with BC where typically smoking is banned in all lifts and discouraged everywhere. You're more likely to get the whiff of a joint than tobacco on slopes, and that's unlikely in tourist areas.
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I was reading the latest comments on this thread earlier, whilst having a couple of beers in the Bergeralm mountain restaurant here in Saalbach, At the next table were a group of four women, all of whom were virtually chain-smoking - as the restaurant became quieter around 5.30pm, they were joined by one of the waiters, who promptly lit up. Our guests, who I was with, told me that, earlier on, a group had been smoking weed at the table opposite; a waiter told them off, asked them to leave and then came over to our guests to apologise as they had children with them. Smoking weed in a restaurant with children present is apparently unacceptable. whereas filling the air with smoke and causing children to passively smoke is apparently okay.
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