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What's the difference between randonee and alpine ski boots?, can alpine ski boots be used in randonee bindings and vice-versa? I'm looking into randonee gear, but it's all so expensive does anyone have a suggestion for a place where I can find cheap randonee gear?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I have touring bindings on my skis but stick with my Alpine boots since I am not a real tourer but just climb for an hour, or perhaps two, to get good snow or a special run.
If you tour properly then the lighter, less rigid boots would be worth it. Similarly you would go for the very light weight tour bindings rather than the heavier Barons that I have (or the Fritschi Freerides I used to have). Conversely light touring equipment is less supportive and stable (and in the case of bindings, less strong).
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randonee boots have lugged (i.e. normal) soles, which dont release properly in alpine bindings so you can only use them safely with touring bindings (fritschi eagle for example).
Alpine boots can be used in both touring and alpine bindings.
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soccajack,
If you are buying new touring boots I'd advise you to go for dynafit compatible, it will probably save you money in the long run.
Good alpine boots tend to be heavier, flex better, don't have a lugged sole or walk mode.
What touring gear is best for you will probably depend on how much touring you are planning to do and if your setup is for all your skiing or just for touring.
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soccajack, you can use both in both, but need to take it a bit careful using tour boots in alpine bindings as the release is certainly affected, it can be done though and you wont die as long as you go canny with em (toe piece up a tad if you can, feel your relase setting and adjust, etc)
what gear do you already have? if a full set of alpine stuff then you can make a staggered start getting into touring gear with out breaking the bank (as long as you aint heading straight out onto multi-hut tours / rando racing that is), and gradually build up the gear.
But the real answer is telemark, and more specifically ntn. The fandan love a good telly man 
(and get fit - both for the touring and the fandan!)
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What sort of skiing and touring (and how much) will you be doing?
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soccajack, my 4 buckle Scarpa touring boots (with stiff tongue), Dynafit bindings & Crusairs ski much, much better everywhere than my old alpine boots, alpine bindings & Recons ever did. Get it right and you'll never go back to clunky sh1te.
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I currently have a pair of old salomon x scream boots (5.5 pounds each) and I'm looking to buy a lighter pair of boots. I haven't started touring yet but I plan on getting into it 1 piece of gear at a time.
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| soccajack wrote: |
| I currently have a pair of old salomon x scream boots (5.5 pounds each) and I'm looking to buy a lighter pair of boots. I haven't started touring yet but I plan on getting into it 1 piece of gear at a time. |
Not sure this makes sense - you can't tour at all without a touring binding and skins, you can with any old pair of skis and boots (not necessarily comfortably). If you need a new pair of boots by all means buy touring or dual function but I don't see how you can get into 1 piece at a time even assuming you've already got the usual offpiste necessities.
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Well he can do the skis and later the boots. I've stuck at that half-way stage.
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Well he can do the skis and later the boots. I've stuck at that half-way stage.
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Im looking to buy randonee boots, that can be used with alpine bindings as well as randonee bindings, because I am buying the boots and skis (mounted with alpine bindings) so when I get the extra money I can purchase a pair of radnonee bindings, I've been looking at the Black Diamond Factor boots for Randonee, I know they're a bit heavy, but that would also serve the purpose of handling well for alpine. Any thoughts?
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You know it makes sense.
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Why not just continue using your existing alpine boots in alpine binding for alpine skiing?
When you do get touring boots and touring binding, then you can go tour.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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IT is possible to buy boots with interchangeable soles so they work reasonably well in both bindings.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| soccajack wrote: |
| Im looking to buy randonee boots, that can be used with alpine bindings as well as randonee bindings, because I am buying the boots and skis (mounted with alpine bindings) so when I get the extra money I can purchase a pair of radnonee bindings, I've been looking at the Black Diamond Factor boots for Randonee, I know they're a bit heavy, but that would also serve the purpose of handling well for alpine. Any thoughts? |
The boots that fit your feet best are the ones to go for. Dynafit offer boots that can be used with Alpine, normal touring and dynafit bindings. Look at / try the Dynafit Titan and ZZeus boots too. To keep as many options open as possible these would be the boots to go for provided they fit your feet. Other manufacturers (e.g. Garmont) offer touring boots that will fit alpine and normal touring bindings but not dynafit.
http://www.dynafit.com/products-winter/boots.html
How heavy are you? Heavy people (80 kg+) often struggle to get a touring boot that is stiff enough for them to use on piste too.
A lot depends on how much touring you will be doing and where. Here are some examples of what you might go for depending on what/how much ski touring you will be doing.
1. Short hikes / skining up (sidecountry) 1 hour ascent = Alpine Boots and Dukes / Baron bindings on alpine skis.
2. All-round setup with longer day tours = Touring Boots & Fritschi Freeride Bindings on 'normal' Touring Skis.
3. Multiday tours and touring with people who have a high level of fitness = Dynafit compatible Touring boots, dynafit bindings, Superlight touring skis.
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Have a look at a Marker Duke or Tour12 binding, then you could use what ever boot you want? The AFD plate adjusts up and down to fit Alpine or touring boots.
I have a light set-up with Dynafit bindings that work with my Dalbello 'Virus' boots and for fatter skis I use the Marker.
The Virus works very well for me, the forward flex is enough for most and more importantly they work really well laterally, little or no Vibram slop due to the hard rubber lugs on the
sole.
My light set-up is not super light as the Dynafits are actually mounted on a nice solid alpine ski the K2 'Sideshow'. On the light side with no compromise on performance!!
Depends on how much touring you might get up to, I'd go for a Marker Tour 12 which is similar weight to Fritschi but just more solid, especially in alpine mode. Then just
pick a boot that fits your feet!!
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skierchris, Virus Tour or Lite?
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| soccajack wrote: |
| I am buying the boots and skis (mounted with alpine bindings) so when I get the extra money I can purchase a pair of radnonee bindings, |
Why? Why not buy the heavier Baron (or possibly Dukes but Dukes are unnecessarily heavy- or Frictschi Freeride) touring bindings so you can do short tours now. They are just as good for Alpine skiing as Alpine bindings. You surely don't want to re-drill your skis later for touring bindings.
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I'm thinking more along the lines of 1 hour ascents, and for a setup I was going to have K2 Coombacks, Marker Dukes, and Black Daimond Factors, so I could still hit the alpine hard.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Thu 30-06-11 20:04; edited 1 time in total
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Scratch my previous post, not just 1 hour ascents, more along the lines of no longer than 5 hour ascents.
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| skierchris, Virus Tour or Lite? |
I've had a pair of 'Tour' for a while now, I thinking 'Lite' for my next pair!
The 'Virus' is currently going through a few updates for 11/12, looking forward to checking
out the evolution!
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| soccajack wrote: |
| I'm thinking more along the lines of 1 hour ascents, and for a setup I was going to have K2 Coombacks, Marker Dukes, and Black Daimond Factors, so I could still hit the alpine hard. |
Sounds like a good solid set up to me...I used the 'Tour' & 'Hardside' combo last season for short missions and multi-day trips. I was always
really happy to have a nice solid set-up for the descent!
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The 'Virus' is currently going through a few updates for 11/12, looking forward to checking
out the evolution!
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From what I hear you would have to be an exceptionally heavy and aggressive skier to need Dukes - the slightly lighter Barons should be fine (they are still heavier than almost all the other touring bindings). I am told I am aggressive skier and I was advised to go for Barons. For ascents of an hour or two they are fine, but for 5 hour ascents, though, perhaps they are still too heavy?
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can't see the point of dukes unless you need DIN 13 or above, if you have a tendency to break bindings or if you can get them cheaper than other options. i have dukes but i bought them before barons came out. if i was buying now, i'd seriously consider F12s
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