 Poster: A snowHead
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good points all thanks for chipping in...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sounds like most like it the way it is but perhaps the monitoring of shadowing and apprentice teaching could be beefed up. have to say i think it is disgusting to hear that at L3 teach people havent done a jot of teaching. On my L3 teach there were two people who had zero hours of teaching under their belts... one had failed the teach twice before and got his hours signed off by a well known ET training provider after attending a pre season camp in Tignes. Another was a junior racer who got his hours signed off by a club coach. hearing this is almost common place at L3 level BASI needs to sort that out!!
Instead of another week of teaching at L1 I like the idea about a final sign off after completing your L1 hours. I think it reasonable at the entry level to ensure quality of the shadowing hours.
I would also throw out an idea that at L1 he shadowing hours should be more structured. x hours teaching beginners, y hours of teaching children, Z hours in equipment rental, W hours teaching intermediates....
Perhaps this could even be extended to L3 level ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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...perhaps the monitoring of shadowing and apprentice teaching could be beefed up. have to say i think it is disgusting to hear that at L3 teach people havent done a jot of teaching. On my L3 teach there were two people who had zero hours of teaching under their belts... one had failed the teach twice before and got his hours signed off by a well known ET training provider after attending a pre season camp in Tignes. Another was a junior racer who got his hours signed off by a club coach. hearing this is almost common place at L3 level BASI needs to sort that out!!
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Possibly this has been addressed already, since you went through it, as at http://www.basi.org.uk/content/alpine-level-3-isia.aspx it says:
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| 200 hrs teaching experience must be completed between successful completion of the Level 2 Instructor Course and commencement of the Level 3 ISIA Technical or Teaching courses. Hours must be submitted to the BASI office 2 weeks prior to attending these courses |
The structuring of the training at our slope is also partly as you suggest, in that our training manager stipulates you shadow/teach 3 of our standard (6 hour) beginner courses before he'll accept you on the strength. That of course pretty much covered my SSE L1 20 hour requirement (then there's more supervised teaching required for their L2 - which is then still not much more than the BASI L1, maybe starting to approach the L1.5). We also have big kids' group sessions where more inexperienced instructors can take the lead from those more experienced with the little ones - I've helped out on one of the 4-6yo groups for the last couple of weeks and after an hour of that you're completely knackered  .
There is a problem of formalising the types of lessons centrally (i.e. by the licensing body) though, in that it can be hard enough to find the hours if there's not that much traffic, so you may then get blocked just finding enough of a particular type of lesson. Things are naturally locally targetted in the SSE L1 though in that it only allows you to teach at one nominated slope. The BASI L1 is of course a bit wider in application, but I'd still expect individual slopes to have some internal validation procedure for new hires at this (basic) level.
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GrahamN, nope the 200 hour rule when i took it was the same for both tech and teach , just was two guys hadnt actually done any.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skimottaret, I think L3 tech is two weeks, because, back in the day (then BASI 2) it was one week - but wasn't turning folk out who were within one week of getting BASI 1 tech, so it changed to two. I did the course in both forms (you can guess why  ) - and much preferred the two weeks.
BASI L1 has a requirement of 35 hours observation/supervision, which is a good start - but folk should remember it's a minimum requirement - no reason why you should not do more.
IMV - the way you get experienced at stuff is by doing it, and quizziung others about how they do it....of course an L1 who has done the miminum won't be as rounded as an ISTD, but in a well run ski school there is no reason why they should not provide lessons of an acceptable quality.
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