Poster: A snowHead
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Arno, +1
James the Last, why would that be? Does the taste of rubber turbocharge you somehow |
It's because it costs more, silly!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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James the Last, Of course! What was I thinking?
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Two pages!!!
Pack = pain, what are pockets for? I never understand what you keep in them unless of course you're going backcountry.
I enjoy diet coke but only from cans, at least 6 a day, now when skiing this isn't a problem - pockets!!! Just have to make sure I don't fall.
If this is not a solution carry and wait for it this is genius, money, and buy drinks aaaaah the free market economy, the wonder.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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My Camelback no longer comes on skiing hols with me, PITA with the tube freezing and I carry enough weight anyway. I'm with the stop and have a beer brigade.
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Hip flask and sloe gin wins every time.
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http://www.coldpole.com/home.htm these are what I use with vodka or yargy only problem is they are heavy when full and unbalanced when you have emptied only one.
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sanman wrote: |
..carry a bottle of water in a backpack? or am i missing something? |
Yes - Time.
With a camelbak or similar, it takes two seconds to put the tube in your mouth, whereas with a bottle in your backpack, you have to stop long enough to take the pack off, open it, take out the bottle, open that, and then do all this in reverse after drinking.
Which inconvenience also means you are less likely to actually take on all the fluid you should with the bottle than you are with the camelbak.
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Lolocaust...
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clarky999, I probably shouldn't laugh, but that really is a lovely word.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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alex_heney wrote: |
sanman wrote: |
..carry a bottle of water in a backpack? or am i missing something? |
Yes - Time.
With a camelbak or similar, it takes two seconds to put the tube in your mouth, whereas with a bottle in your backpack, you have to stop long enough to take the pack off, open it, take out the bottle, open that, and then do all this in reverse after drinking.
Which inconvenience also means you are less likely to actually take on all the fluid you should with the bottle than you are with the camelbak. |
Then the "insulated" tube freezes up and you end up carrying a bladder, so you open the top of the wide neck and take a swig, this goes all down the front of your layers and you end up freezing your t1ts off. If you feel that it is neccasary to carry water, bottle is the way to go, you do after all take your backpack off when riding a chairlift I presume so where is the inconvenience.
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You know it makes sense.
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I don't know how you all manage to drink so much, if I drank a whole bottle of water all the extra weight in my stomach would really screw up my skiing
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I use a Camelbak which is just the bladder with backpack type straps and insulated tube. Wear under my jacket with mouth piece coming out above zip. Simples.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Circusthing, If you confuse it with your Avilung things could get nasty
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Scarpa, And people think I'm a hunchback when it's full.
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If this is not a solution carry and wait for it this is genius, money, and buy drinks
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I wouldn't touch that Diet Coke filth at supermarket prices, let alone 5€ a go on the hill. Bùgger that.
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Yes - Time.
With a camelbak or similar, it takes two seconds to put the tube in your mouth, whereas with a bottle in your backpack, you have to stop long enough to take the pack off, open it, take out the bottle, open that, and then do all this in reverse after drinking.
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Hilarious. You're on holiday, not rushing round London with an iPhone glued to your ear, trying to look important. Take two minutes to have a drink, no-one's going to deduct you corporate brownie points for it. Besides, what else are chairlifts for?
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When I get thirsty on the mountain I just drink my own urine, very good for you and I think it's important to recycle.
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What alex_heney says...
I use a Decathlon hydration pack/camelback with an insulated hose. It has frozen occasionally on very cold days but as per what others have said if you drink often from it (which is the point) then there rarely are problems.
Why not a bottle in back pack? Because it's bulky, uncomfortable particularly on lifts where either you sit half hanging out or you have to take your rucksack off. Plus it's a pain to get bottle in/out of bag to have a drink, particularly when the best way to hydrate is to drink little an often. And there always the risk of ending up drenched on a bad fall.
Why a camelback? Because it's slim/not bulky, it won't burst (or very unlikely too) even on a bad fall, and most important, it allows to easily drink often which is a key.
I bought my camelback after spending days in agony with a bad back, probably set off by dehydration on the mountain (Even at home I do not drink anywhere near as much as I should. I knew then I had to make sure I stayed hydrated and didn't want a rucksack/bottle so bought a camelback and I am not a fan of wasting time in bars on the slopes. I have bars at home but not ski slopes..
Next thing I know I easily drink about 1.5L on the mountain without realising because I only take quick sips. Best way to hydrate, and for those worried about it, when you drink little and often you also don't really need to go for a wee all that often..
I also use energy/endurance drink in the camelback..
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Kruisler wrote: |
uncomfortable particularly on lifts where either you sit half hanging out or you have to take your rucksack off. Plus it's a pain to get bottle in/out of bag to have a drink, particularly when the best way to hydrate is to drink little an often. |
I don't get this. Bottle in pocket = easy access when sitting on lift.
Bottle in backpack = easy access when sitting on a lift as you have to take off your backpack when on a lift (else it's (1) dangerous and (2) uncomfortable).
Or (3) Spend a fortune on something that will make you ski better...
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James the Last,
(1) I need to drinks loads. Somehow I don't see a 2L bottle of water sitting comfortably in any of my pockets. And, personal preference there, even a 0.5L lump in one of my jacket's pockets would annoy the hell out of me.
(2) camelbacks are (if not inculded in big backpacks) slimline hence no need to take them off in lifts because (a) it's not dangerous (b) it's not uncomfortable
(3) Mine cost £19 from Decathlon....Hardly a new mortgage is it?
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(2) (a) My understanding is that anything worn on the back is dangerous as it can get caught on the lift, hence the instruction to remove all backpacks from backs when ascending chairs. The read downside with a pack, IMVHO is that you destroy the breathability of the coat.
(3) £19 more than my water bottle!
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Buxton do fairly leakproof 25cl bottles (have to buy mulitpack of 8 or 10) that fit in inside pocket where body heat tends to keep it relatively liquid (even during a week in LDA when the warmest it ever got was -16c).
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James the Last, (2) (a), if worn under the jacket a camelbak is neither inconvenient (being slim) nor a risk of tangling on a chairlift. It doesn't stay as cold as if worn over the jacket but it restricts movement much less and the tube is less prone to freezing (mine's never frozen).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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James the Last,
If you balk at a cost of £19 for something that is going to last a few years then clearly any non-essential gear isn't for you.
But for me it's a very small price to pay for a lot of convenience, and I am watching my spending.
As for the breathability, well, maybe. I can't say I have ever experienced any noticable difference. And in one of your earlier post you suggest a bottle in a backpack, in which case you'd face the exact same issue.
Not once in 32 years of skiing in France/Spain/Austria/Italy was I asked to remove my backpack or camelback when on a lift. And with the slimness of the camelback, even on the outside of the jacket, there as much risk of my jacket bottom edge catching something than there is of the camelback.
I can see the danger of large bags forcing you to seat too close to the edge of the lift and/or with straps (hanging) all over the place only asking to snag on something, but in my camelback's case this doesn't apply.
For me, a mainly piste skier/boarder, if you're someone needing to drink a lot throughout the day and not wanting to stop at bars too often, the camelback is the most practical and comfortable solution... Other generic hydration solutions are of course available.
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I love my Camelback. Just enough room for stuff that I lke to carry and when it is warm I get through the full 2 litres. I like to sip regularly and it works really well for me...except when it is very cold when it can freeze the pipe.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Gluhwein with second (on the hill) breakfast then alternate beer with willys until table dancing stage reached approx 4.30.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Beer
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I have a Camelback Snowblast backpack, which has an insulated tube inside the shoulder strap. It has never frozen (unlike friends' uninsulated versions), and has enough room so that my pockets aren't stuffed with gear I'm not using. It's great for a quick sip on the lifts or on the piste, so is more convenient than a bottle or mountain hut(!).
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I've done the backpack with the water bottle, which has now been repalced with a 1.5 liter camelback reservoir, and an insulated tube. I never take my backpack off on the lifts. It's rather small, and carries a few snacks, my avy probe, and shovel, plus my 1.5 liter camelback reservoir. I also use it in the summer when riding my roadbike to work. Deuter model backpack. Not sure of the model but very conforming to my back, and no issues on lifts.
I do have just a regular 1.5 liter camelback pack with the insulated tube, which I ski with on days I'm not going into the back country. It has one small pocket which I can put a power bar in or trailmix. But I like to keep a gel packet in the inside ski pant pocket for a quick pick me up when I decide to hike a ridge for a 500 meter fresh powder line!
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me and the oh have leki hot sticks (now branded hot shots i think) so we never run short of fluids on the mountain....
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The only time my pack ever got caught on a lift was when I had taken it off. When it's on all buckles are done up and there are no loose straps flapping about. I had it on my knee and a buckle swung back and lodged formly between the arm rest and the seat. Managed to grab it though as lifty stopped the lift before it was carried back down the mountain
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Scarpa, same goes for me - my pack stays on my back all day, until I need to get my camera gear out! Bladder with alcohol free isotonic beer in the back sometimes - a 3 litre Deuter one
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Kel wrote: |
alex_heney wrote: |
sanman wrote: |
..carry a bottle of water in a backpack? or am i missing something? |
Yes - Time.
With a camelbak or similar, it takes two seconds to put the tube in your mouth, whereas with a bottle in your backpack, you have to stop long enough to take the pack off, open it, take out the bottle, open that, and then do all this in reverse after drinking.
Which inconvenience also means you are less likely to actually take on all the fluid you should with the bottle than you are with the camelbak. |
Then the "insulated" tube freezes up and you end up carrying a bladder
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Never happened to me yet. It may do one day, if the weather gets stupid cold on the mountain.
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, so you open the top of the wide neck and take a swig, this goes all down the front of your layers and you end up freezing your t1ts off.
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If the tube did freeze, I am perfectly capable of taking a swig from the bladder without spilling it down my front, even though I am pretty clumsy.
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If you feel that it is neccasary to carry water, bottle is the way to go, you do after all take your backpack off when riding a chairlift I presume so where is the inconvenience. |
You presume wrong. What an odd presumption, considering how often the subject of backpacks has been discussed on here.
It is simple fact that for me, it is much quicker and more convenient to use a camelbak. I carried bottles for years before getting one, and I would not switch back out of choice.
The Previous poster asked what he might be missing, and my response was entirely valid.
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Lizzard wrote: |
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Yes - Time.
With a camelbak or similar, it takes two seconds to put the tube in your mouth, whereas with a bottle in your backpack, you have to stop long enough to take the pack off, open it, take out the bottle, open that, and then do all this in reverse after drinking.
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Hilarious.
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You are obviously very easily amused. I cannot see anything remotely amusing in what I said, never mind "hilarious".
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You're on holiday, not rushing round London with an iPhone glued to your ear, trying to look important. Take two minutes to have a drink, no-one's going to deduct you corporate brownie points for it.
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"Brownie points" have NOTHING to do with it. I just prefer to spend most of the time I am on my skis doing something else than faffing around with a pack. I tend to stop quite often during runs, but when I do, I like to look around, take in the scenery, and just relax. Being able to just take a quick swig with no fuss, as often as I feel the need is much more relaxing than having to think about it and take time out.
And you also have to remember that yes, I am on holiday, but like most people who take ski holidays, I get one trip most years, for one week, so have a total of about 50-60 hours in a year when the lifts are available. You live in the mountains, so losing a few minutes ski time is likely to be less important to you.
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Besides, what else are chairlifts for? |
I rarely take a chairlift without having a swig during the ride. But I also never take my backpack off on a chairlift, so taht would be much more awkward without teh camelbak
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