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Take a look for this ,, is nice site for telemarkskier, alot about Sibillini mountain, very nice mountan in Appeninis in the heart of Italy, very good for backcountry skiing, not liftservice skiing but excelent bowls, that U have for your own,,,,, best month is mars,,, go on,,,,,
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Another (novice) telemarker here... Started a few years ago in pooring rain on a otherwise mostly stormbound day: awesomeness
I see quite a lot of NTN kit here. Any opinions, views, comments, good or bad as am thinking of pushing the boat out!
Very nice and real solid connection to the skis. No slop and they do release when you need them to but it's not like an alpine release. Well made too.
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I'm a Tele fan, admittedly not done that much of it (4-5 weeks). Did do a brief (very) stint in the GB Tele Team and have completed the BASI ISIA. But not really sure where to go from here? Did have a guy who trained with us get some good results at the Brits recently though.
Just watched the vid of teleboarding which looks great!
All the JJC crew love a Tele.
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Masque wrote:
Dave J wrote:
I see quite a lot of NTN kit here. Any opinions, views, comments, good or bad as am thinking of pushing the boat out!
Very nice and real solid connection to the skis. No slop and they do release when you need them to but it's not like an alpine release. Well made too.
I love it now, took about two days hard work to get used to the change in stance, more pushing the boot/shin forward in the flex rather than lifting the heel - this results in very wobbly back ski! Once you get used to the this the feeling of precision is great. Carving and less fatigue in the legs. Not had a chance to try powder yet as not had any this season to speak of, once I do I will let you know impressions! Watched the French tele team in Avoriaz yesertday training and most were on NTN!
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Anyone know if they've sorted out the NTN issues of the boots splitting at the toe ?
Is there only one type of binding available ?
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summer wrote:
I love it now, took about two days hard work to get used to the change in stance, more pushing the boot/shin forward in the flex rather than lifting the heel - this results in very wobbly back ski! Once you get used to the this the feeling of precision is great. Carving and less fatigue in the legs. Not had a chance to try powder yet as not had any this season to speak of, once I do I will let you know impressions! Watched the French tele team in Avoriaz yesertday training and most were on NTN!
Thats kind of what I was thinking. I ski on G3 Targas at the moment and wnat something more rigid to tke a bigger/fatter ski. I'm a bit intrigued by the wobbly back ski - mine usually wobble if I have not got sufficient weight on it but I think that with NTN that may be dfferent???
As a aside and this may sound fairly dumb - I do a fair amount of hiking in my boots, what are NTN boots like to walk in? As rigid as Alpine boots, or something more like a fairly stiff tele boot? Scarpa T1s for example.
Thanks for the comments so far.
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Anyone know if they've sorted out the NTN issues of the boots splitting at the toe ?
Is there only one type of binding available ?
I'm only aware of the Rottefella NTN binding, and have no idea aout the boot splitting.
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Dave J wrote:
summer wrote:
I love it now, took about two days hard work to get used to the change in stance, more pushing the boot/shin forward in the flex rather than lifting the heel - this results in very wobbly back ski! Once you get used to the this the feeling of precision is great. Carving and less fatigue in the legs. Not had a chance to try powder yet as not had any this season to speak of, once I do I will let you know impressions! Watched the French tele team in Avoriaz yesertday training and most were on NTN!
Thats kind of what I was thinking. I ski on G3 Targas at the moment and wnat something more rigid to tke a bigger/fatter ski. I'm a bit intrigued by the wobbly back ski - mine usually wobble if I have not got sufficient weight on it but I think that with NTN that may be dfferent???
As a aside and this may sound fairly dumb - I do a fair amount of hiking in my boots, what are NTN boots like to walk in? As rigid as Alpine boots, or something more like a fairly stiff tele boot? Scarpa T1s for example.
Thanks for the comments so far.
No problem walking in them, far better than the old duck bill when walking uphill, or climbing up snow steps etc. They have a walk and ski mode and as I teach I spend a lot of time in mine running around etc between lessons! In terms of the woblley back ski it was just that the stance is more compact in comparison with the very soft feeling with the old system. First few runs I was too far over the front foot and the back ski wobbled alarmingly. I also soften the flex on the binding right back to 1.5 which also helped tremendously in the early days. As I said, it's a case of pushing your knee shin forward in the boot to make it flex rather than lifting the heel up. This seems to give great balanced pressure now for me. I also ski a liitle on my alpine skis in the boots, it's probably not recommended but seems to work for me. It's only when I change from tele to teach alpine beginners and not time to swap boots!!! Good luck, with Fat skis it gives tremendous rigidity I think.
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Anyone know if they've sorted out the NTN issues of the boots splitting at the toe ?
Yes it has been. Was an issue with Scarpa boots only in their first season.
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Telemark skiing... is the way forward!!!
If anyone wants to hire befire they buy... then drop me a line.... always got a large stock of tele gear available..... often a lot cheaper tha in resort too!!
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Higgy, Thanks that U are helpfull with to have skier to try telemark yes its expensive to hire tele equipe,, do U think it would be possible to arrange a telemarkmeeting for telemarker in French alps or Pyrenees together?,,,
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Seek and you shall find!
I had almost given up looking for a shop that sold NTN stuff south of Scotland.
Then I found http://www.backcountryuk.com/
Ilkley is a fair old trip from Bristol but well worth it.
Its is a blatant plug for the shop but well worth it I reckon. Very knowledgeable, friendly, helpful and an excellent boot fitting service.
Good service like that deserves to be recognised, and I love my new boots, and bindings, oh, and skis!
Thanks to you both for all the time you spent with me yesterday.
Another blatant plug for the shop (used to called "Basecamp Ilkley") - bought my Kharu 7TM tele bindings & Scarpa Denali AT boots mail-order from them, with loads of helpful advice from Dave (the owner)
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Just want to know if there is more telemarkskier on SnowHeads, it could be interresting to have advice from each other about Skis/boots, and so on, even if there is some event in europe, The big events like Stubaitelefest and Livingo, we all know about, but there is more in the alps,Pyrenees, Scotland and the Sibiliinis (Middle Italie)
The Headrush are not supposed to look discrete...one of the reasons they are called headrush.
Maybe a little heavy for touring but the weight certainly makes up for what they can do.
On piste their activity only starts to cause problems on icy hard pack
Give you an idea, my mate (probably a better Teleir than me and I am BASI 2) tried them and after 3 turns nearly fell over with a "F**k me don't they turn fast"
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roga, It will be Scotland for me next season, , I like to meet other telemarkskier, there is not alot here in france, thats the reason I ski Spain and Italy alot,, there is more telemarkskier,,,
FREE YOUR HEEL, AND YOUR MIND WILL FOLLOW,,
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I nice video from Lofoten, Norway
Nice vid, nice terrain - have always wanted to visit Norway
Any reason for the double pole planting about 30 seconds in?
freeheelskier wrote:
roga, It will be Scotland for me next season, , I like to meet other telemarkskier, there is not alot here in france, thats the reason I ski Spain and Italy alot,, there is more telemarkskier,,,
Yeah you'll find a few in Scotland too - wild and hairy telemarkers fits in well with the wild and hairy Scottish mountains
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I think my mind is already there ...
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roga, The Scottish mountain have same geologic history has the scandinavian mountain
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Any reason for the double pole planting about 30 seconds in?
No,, just a reflex,
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roga, The Scottish mountain have same geologic history has the scandinavian mountain
Yes and I believe the Appalachians in North America, all far older than the Alps or Himilayas and I believe perhaps once higher too - pretty amazing really!
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No,, just a reflex,
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Hello teleheads.
Just back from a weeks skiing in les Arcs.
Half days on tele gear (half days baby sitting).
Broke a connecting rod on my cobra 8's- had to walk / ski on one ski back- to the amusement of several ESF instructors (who were helpful as well and seemed to have an almost English sense of irony). On my owmn skis (Salomon foils with cobra R8s and TX2s felt fairly stable and happy.
Hired some NTNs, Movement climaxs with NTN blue spring and Txs. Felt very unstable at first when trying to tele- wobbly back foot, foot pain. Tried going lower- which was knackering. Tried to get stiffer springs- not avaliable. Perhaps should have read above (push forward more on shin). Found that I could ski parallel on teh NTNs very easily- moguls, carving, just going fast. This felt like a bit of a cheat.
Some questions.
1. How common is it to break cobra connecting rods? (Mine broke just at the end of the threads- inside the plastic cone on the outside right ski).
2. Do any of you carry spares / a pair of locksmiths pliers with you when you ski cobras?
3. Or do you just take cord/tape and cobble something together
4. Or just cross fingers and be prepared to walk.
5. Does the way you set up the binding increase/deacrease the chance of a break and if so how.
6. Or does anyone just replace th erods on a regular basis to avoid a break on th ehill- if so after how many days?
I don't want to spent loads on a NTN and quite like the light weight of my current set up (and the option of putting plates on some Line prophet flites) but if I get lots of re
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ed123, In my experience nearly all tele bindings break. I used to ski on Superloops and would carry a complete spare cable and spring assembly, and the tools to fit it, and similar for the Voile release too. If you don't want to go NTN - Hammerheads are as close to unbreakable I have found. I have not had a single failure with those.
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Was on a BASI Tele course in Courchevel last year, week long, last day, last run, all passed, got to bottom, said to one of the guys,: your binding looks a bit loose, he bent down and it fell apart in his hands.
I don't know what the binding was. It looked like a G3Targa style with spring inside an ali tube on the side. The rod had pulled straight out.
I ski Hammerheads, never had a problem.
Tried NTN a couple of weeks ago in St Anton as have never been on them before (Rental from Pete Sport, Tele specialist), did not like them as I am used to the progressive flex of the hammerheads. The NTN were very much off on. By that I mean no resistance until about half way through its range of movement and then it stopped with full resistance.
A little bird told me that the shop setting max is set at 3 on blue springs, so I increased it to 4. This made the resistance similar to the hamerheads, now liked them. But to pay £750ish for boots and bindings for the nice to have of a step in and step out, releasable, braked binding where bending down a few times a day is eliminated...............is a bit too much
If boots are due for a replace may be worth considering
Then I broke them
One went really floppy with no resistance
Had broken the toe bail such that the toe piece was moving in a similar way when it is released in touring mode. Couldn't telemark it but could ski down in Alpine
Even the shop was surprised that it had broken there so may not be a regular fault and I am only 11 stone so have not got the weight to really abuse them
Ah part of the reason I love the Voile Hardwire, I can at least get out of the woods with the 3-pin if the springs fail. I do carry a spare set of springs, too.
Just had a skier here give up the NTN setup and went back to the Hammerhead.
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Had a good time on my teleboard in Arabba and rose from 'I'm gonna die' to 'I wish this blue was longer'. I'm still too scared to point it down a steep red as the thing accelerates faster than anything else on the hill as Ronald can attest. Getting there but more practice and better leg strength needed to really start to control it properly in slushy bumps. Roll on the EOSB.
Also managed to discover that Bishop Bombers will release if you hit something hard enough They're screwed to some fat 180 Iclandic Nomads which will carve sweetly, if a bit bargelike, in alpine mode but I can't get them over enough in tele to get the same so a lot of ugly unbalanced tail washout. It's me, I've just got to get better at positioning myself over the skis. Could be I need more tension, there's almost nothing till my heel's 2" off the stop.
Slogan? . . . Free the heels, loosen the bowels . . . get a teleboard and a diaper.
Interestingly, my experience of moving from Hammerheads (and Scarpa T2Xs) to NTN (blue spring and Garmont Prophets) was more or less the opposite of Rocksteadee's.
I find the NTNs much more progressive; offer huge edge hold advantages and, in my case, moved my telemarking up several notches in one go.
But I also ski with some (more experienced and better than me) telemarkers who have tried the kit and have either been non-plussed or hate it.
Horses for courses it seems...
IMHO NTNs like being skied in a shorter stance than Hammerheads or Bishops and, at higher spring settings, tend to "encourage" you to ski taller.
NTN robustness is a cause for concern, though. I've had to warranty my bindings and I'm really very gentle with kit.
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FlyingStantoni, Interestinger and interestinger
It may heve something to with your weight and your prefered resistance setting
Me I am only 11 stone but prefer the hammerhead at setting 4 which makes it pretty stiff. Compared to most other bindings which are fairly floppy the hammerhead gives a high progressive resistace.
It is this resistance that I "brace" my self against to prevent me dropping into a low stance.
But then I originally learnt to ski Tele on Pussers planks in Norway with soppy little leather farty ankle boots and 2.2 m, "hold your arm up sonny, never mind you will grow into them", waxing Xcountry hardwood edged skies.
All this with the classic Norwegan low stance due to an 80 lb berghan and a poxy rifle designed to imprint the foresight into the back of the skull every time you fell over. Believe me you soon learn the low stance, low center of gravity and not so far to fall
So my comparison on the NTN is possibly bias by my preference
Would have to try each binding fitted on the same ski to do a proper analysis
And as my Hammers are fitted on scotty bobs my judgment is severly impared when all that is going through my mind is F**K, F**K, F**K. F**K, F**K, F**K, F**K. F**K, intersperced with the occasional breath if I remember
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ed123, About your Cobra, I use Cobra R8 to and have never had any problem (Knock,Knock on wood) My chili was broke like that, How old are your binding? perhaps you can go back to the store they come from. but if you have buy on internet it can be a little more problem, Or try to contact Rottafella i Norway, If they can I m sure they will help you, the market for teleequipe is so little, and I think that teleskier talk with each other, and give advice about skis boots and bindings, let us all know how it works for you, Good Luck
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all tele bindings break. I used to ski on Superloops and would carry a complete spare cable and spring assembly...
You were lucky that it was only the cable you were concerned with. My original Superloops had a structural failure - stress fracture in the stainless steel toepiece , but luckily Russell replaced them F.O.C as he acknowledged this as a design fault.
At least it was at the end of a midsummer long weekend on the Tignes glacier so didn't cause great grief
ed123, .
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2. Do any of you carry spares / a pair of locksmiths pliers with you when you ski cobras?
Yep - I ski and tour on 7TMs now & carry the replacement flexible-strappy-thingy which connects the heel-piece to the binding. I've got a mini folding pliers so this is easily replaceable by removing a single nut/bolt
Concerning preferences for different bindings - as Rocksteadee said: try learning on some leather boots, with pins & skinny skis and you'll think that any modern binding setup is the best thing ever
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I can say that even under extreme provocation the Bishop Bombers are truly bulletproof and still light. They're out of production 'cos of legal issues but if you can grab a pair 2nd user, go for it. I lucked out and got the Ti set
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They're screwed to some fat 180 Iclandic Nomads which will carve sweetly, if a bit bargelike, in alpine mode but I can't get them over enough in tele to get the same so a lot of ugly unbalanced tail washout. It's me, I've just got to get better at positioning myself over the skis. Could be I need more tension, there's almost nothing till my heel's 2" off the stop.
get a teleboard and a diaper.