 Poster: A snowHead
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been lurking for a bit but I need some advice.
This year I will be wearing goggles in all conditions for the first time due to wearing a helmet. In the past I have worn sunnies or yellow lensed cheapo goggles. Due to my fat nose and need to fit well with my helmet I'm fairly limited on goggle choice but I have found that Oakley A frames fit best. However I can only justify the cost of one pair.
Therefore my question is, if you could only have either the VR28 or Persimmon lenses which would the best for all conditions? Can you use either in all conditions from a bluebird day to a blizzard and if not which is best during an average week in the mountains? Doe anyone else just use one of these lenses?
Thanks
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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My crowbars have a persimmon lens. I find them fine in all conditions except when it is really overcast and dark and you need a clear lens really. I don't find them too bright for sunny days personally.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Agree with troublemaker on persimmon - I use mine pretty much all the time and they were fine in bright sun and flat light last week in Tignes.
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I have both and I'd say Persimmons by a long way, I only use VR28 for sunny days. Persimmons is fine for the rest of the time.
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persimmons are the way to go
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Persimmons, Oakley have a really good lense selector on their website. At www.twoseasons.co.uk they have loads of good styles of Oakleys as well as Von Zippers, the Pork Chop are quite wide on the face.
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| KellySmith wrote: |
| At www.twoseasons.co.uk they have loads of good styles of Oakleys as well as Von Zippers, the Pork Chop are quite wide on the face. |
That has got to be the worst retail website I have ever had the misfortune to visit. When you click on the goggles they don't even mention which lenses you are getting, just the colour of the frames. Terrible.
Thanks everyone else for your help, looks like the Persimmons are the way to go. I'll tell you were I have found a secret stash of cheap ones after I've got mine. Don't want them going out of stock. 
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Flet©h, why not just wear your sunglasses as per normal? That's what I do unless something is coming down out of the sky.
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Megamum, I knackered the "arms" of my sunglasses by wearing them with my helmet. Also I find my eyes stream like crazy when it's cold and I'm going fast if I have sunglasses on. I've lost many a contact lens this way, so now it's goggles all the time for me. Apart from lunch stops 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The Persimmon lens let in too much for me last week (with jonm) so I changed to Gold Iridium. I wouldn't limit myself to persimon only
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| Flet©h wrote: |
Therefore my question is, if you could only have either the VR28 or Persimmon lenses which would the best for all conditions? Can you use either in all conditions from a bluebird day to a blizzard and if not which is best during an average week in the mountains?
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This means you will need something from the Oakley range with about 30-40% light transmission - VR28 is for mid to bright light at 14% light transmission index; the only lens that Oakley do in that range is the VR50 Emerald Iridium at 30% light transmission, VR50 Pink Iridium at 41% light transmission, Blue Iridium at 30%; G30 at 30%.
I personally have loved the Blue Iridium, which uses a VR28 base but with a blue iridium coating. Difficult to find in a goggle as standard lens, but there are 2 men's models with Blue Iridium lenses
This Crowbar model
[/url]http://www.oakley.com/products/3266/24422[url]
and this A Frame model
http://www.oakley.com/products/1331/24252[/url]
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You know it makes sense.
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| Flet©h wrote: |
Therefore my question is, if you could only have either the VR28 or Persimmon lenses which would the best for all conditions? Can you use either in all conditions from a bluebird day to a blizzard and if not which is best during an average week in the mountains?
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This means you will need something from the Oakley range with about 30-40% light transmission - VR28 is for mid to bright light at 28%% light transmission index; the only lens that Oakley do in that range is the VR50 Emerald Iridium at 30% light transmission, VR50 Pink Iridium at 41% light transmission, Blue Iridium at 30%; G30 at 30%.
I personally have loved the Blue Iridium, which uses a VR28 base but with a blue iridium coating. Difficult to find in a goggle as standard lens, but there are 2 men's models with Blue Iridium lenses
This Crowbar model
http://www.oakley.com/products/3266/24422
and this A Frame model
http://www.oakley.com/products/1331/24252
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Interchangable lenses sound a good idea - do you have to buy a set of goggles that have been specifically designed with this in mind to make the changing process easy, or can you do it with all Oakleys (and maybe other manufacturers)?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Most goggle manufacturers allow you to swap lenses - the premium manufacturers all have this, esp Oakley, VonZipper, Anon, Electric etc. I have numerous pairs of Electric goggles, and numerous lenses.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Megamum wrote: |
| Flet©h, why not just wear your sunglasses as per normal? That's what I do unless something is coming down out of the sky. |
Makes sense but sunnies and a helmet is a massive fashion faux pas and since I'm going to Val d'isere that isn't really acceptable. (I will be keeping the glasses in my backpack just in case it gets too bright, I'll have make sure nobody sees me though.)
| Megamum wrote: |
| Interchangable lenses sound a good idea - do you have to buy a set of goggles that have been specifically designed with this in mind to make the changing process easy, or can you do it with all Oakleys (and maybe other manufacturers)? |
AFAIK Oakley goggles have replaceable lenses. You can get and fit new lenses but it's not something you would do on a chair lift. "replacing" the lenses too often would also risk damaging the goggles.
To the people who have suggested the higher end lenses; I see the benefit but the budget won't stretch beyond the bottom of the range. So persimmon it is.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Flet©h, I couldn't get my lens to clip back in last week, several blokes "had a go" and couldn't do it either. Jerry fixed it for me - def not one for the chair lift.
How would "replacing the lense too often" risk damaging the goggles? They are designed to interchange 
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| Flet©h,How would "replacing the lense too often" risk damaging the goggles? They are designed to interchange |
I've heard they are designed to be replaceable I.e when one lens breaks you can get replacements or if you decide you want a different lens in that frame you can switch them. However they are not designed to be interchanable, frequently changing based on the conditions. If you change them too much you risk damaging the lugs. (plus it's not something you want to rely on being able to do on the mountain if the conditions change, as you have experienced.
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Flet©h, Hmmm, not how they were sold to me
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Flet©h, I swap the lenses in my A frames a lot, I have not damaged the lugs. I have Persimmon, Black Iridium and Clear lenses for them.
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I've used Oakley goggles for years and swap lenses all the time - never an issue. You just need to make sure that you don't touch the inside of the lens, because it mucks up the anti fog coating - just stick your hand in the goggle bag and use it like a glove to change lenses. After a few goes it gets a lot easier to swap them over.
Usually have a persimmon, hi blue, and black iridium, and that covers anything, but persimmon is the go to lens.
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I swap between a Persimmon lense and a Gold Irridium lense in my A frames. Not a real hastle but best done in the warmth of the chalet or during a drink stop when the plastic is more maliable than on the chairlift. I cracked my Persimmon lense last year doing it at minus whatever so will take more care this year...
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Is it not easier to carry a second set of goggles? The lens makes up the majority cost of the goggles so not much extra to fork out for a second pair.
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halfhand, I'm from Yorkshire, 'nuff said. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Ski Tyke, you'll have put some glue over that crack then rather than buy a replacement
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Pink Iridum for the low light days and Fire Iridium for the Blule birds
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You know it makes sense.
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I've salvaged a small piece of sellotape from an early Christmas pressie delivery. Worked a treat!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| halfhand wrote: |
| Is it not easier to carry a second set of goggles? The lens makes up the majority cost of the goggles so not much extra to fork out for a second pair. |
No, I don't like to carry a pack
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Flet©h, I ski in A Frames with 3 lens configurations, Persimmon for every day all round use, VR28 with Blue Iridium coating for bluebird/ bright days, and a yellow lens for flat light foggy days, excellent combination. I have a hardshell case and carry the 2 spare lenses in there inside my backpack. Dont try swapping lenses on piste, pull into a bar/ cafe/ lift station and do it in relative comfort, only taked 2 mins but a hassle with cold hands.
One other tip, on the VR28 and Persimmon I have paid extra and gone for polarized lenses, makes a MASSIVE difference, shows up snow surface definition and they are brilliant. Give Abi a call at the following, mail order and great service, good prices too:-
http://www.london-eyewear.co.uk
Highly recommended, 100% happy with this combo.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Flet©h, By the way my wife skies in same lens configuration but with a smoky grey lens for bluebird days, she prefers this lens...........worth considering
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holidayloverxx, Where do you put your sunglasses (for lunch stops), shovel, probe, water, marsbars, extra layers, spare gloves, headtorch, survival foil blanket, spare batteries for tranceiver etc?................you must have big pockets!!
Also no ABS rucksack? Seriously a 15L rucksack, decent make (Ortovox, Dakine Deuter etc) doesnt have to be bulky, I hate pockets stuffed with stuff, much prefer a backpack.......no hassle on lifts.
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Markymark29, Thats why there's no room for spare goggles
My pockets aren't actually overstuffed - I take very little up.
Jacket Pocket left side: ski lock & glove liners
Jacket Pocket right side: wallet
Jacket breast pocket left hand: piste map
Inside jacket pocket: insurance details
Sleeve pocket: lift pass
Trouser pockets: tissues, lip balm, phone, sunscreen
I will admit that I had to ask Eeyore to carry my sunnies i her pack last week, but that was in case I couldn't get the goggles lens in at all - then I never used them.
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Markymark29, 
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I couldn't carry a spare set of goggles in my pocket, the first yard sale of the day would probably smash them into a million pieces
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FAQ
. Prices seem to be the same as Oakleys official site. Couldn't fault the service and i would use them again. 
A complete PITA