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I hope this is the correct place to place this question. Well we will be going away skiing this year with some friends, I have skied since I was little but for my friends it will be the first time. They have asked if I could teach them as they don't want to commit too much money for the first time. now I know that I'm not an instructor but I have nearly all the time taken lessons and so have a good idea of the basics and I really would not mind taking them for a few hours each day. but my main question would be, would they be insured if they were to have an accident if they had not had lessons with a qualified instructor. I hope someone can answer this question as it is the only thing i'm not too sure about.
Many Thanks in advance 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm pretty sure that 'they' would be insured... but jambo1, you should be medically but not when connected to any liabilities...
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As longt as you're not taking money from them and they are therefore just skiing with you as a mate, insurance shouldn't be an issue.
However, it's a rubbish idea - they'll learn a load of bad habits, you'll find that teaching isn't something any old bod can do effectively without any training, no-one with have a great deal of fun. Persuade them to get proper lessons.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'd agree with Lizzard - nothing to do with insurance, if no money changes hands, but not a good idea. It's particularly not a good idea if they're fairly gung-ho as their chances of injuring themselves charging beyond their ability to control their speed are quite high.
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Why would you ruin your holiday and possibly your friendship by trying to teach them?
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jambo1, Welcome to  s
Get them to spend a little on their holiday! Why should tight and miserable people ruin your time sliding even if they are friends! They will only learn your bad habits and nobody will gain from the experience. Skiing is an expensive holiday, cutting corners will end up costing more for them in the long run. False economy get them to the lessons in the morning and then you go and enjoy your holiday! Sorry to be hard on your first post but it is just not worth it.
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Do not ask this question in TGR.
I believe that is illegal in France and possibly other countries to teach unless you are a qualified instructor. I have taught a friend to ski before in France but you do not want to try and teach a group. When I taught at Sheffield ski village there was a story about how one of the other employees got arrested for teaching in the alps and he would have been at least BASI level 1 or 2 qualified. It can be done but do not make it look like a group lesson
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I believe that is illegal in France and possibly other countries to teach unless you are a qualified instructor.
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It's not illegal for one lad to teach his mates - people do it all over France. It's a totally different issue if you're operating as a commercial business (just as it's not illegal for me to cook dinner for my friends, but if I ran a restaurant there'd be a load of regulatory hoops to jump through).
The fact that it's legal doesn't make it wise, however. 
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| Why would you ruin your holiday and possibly your friendship by trying to teach them? |
That's it, in a nutshell. The chances are very, very high that you will fall out over this and at best, tensions will run high. How are you going to have any fun if you're permanently 'on watch'?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Would you actually enjoy a holiday where you couldn't ski the slopes you would want to ski and would have to stand around doing basic things on nursery slopes or, at best, going a fraction of the speed you would otherwise? Sounds like you would be sacrificing your holiday for theirs AND probably not teaching them good basics. Doesn't sound like saving anything in the end.
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You know it makes sense.
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I wouldnt bother teaching them...................send them to ski school so you can have fun
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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jambo1, welcome to Snowheads  I've said this before but,if possible,dont waste your/their hard earned cash learning to ski on a skiing holiday!! Are they within striking distance of a snow dome? If so,do a "learn to ski in a day" thing. Obviously,they wont learn to ski as such,but it will give them all the basic tools to enjoy the real mountain from the off.As we all know,once the basics are grasped,its amazing how quickly people can progress.
We have all witnessed the 1st time skier disasters in resort...the tears,injuries,impatient instructors etc. As for you teaching them...very bad idea.You will want to ski,and will soon lose patience with someone who struggles with snowplough turns,and endlessly falls off the button lift  Remember,you can ski..they cant(yet)..very bad mix IMHO.
Suggest you crunch the numbers.Resort instruction is not cheap,and usually only a couple of hours a day.Yes,they may well be able to ski by the end of the week,but will then need another holiday to actually enjoy it
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Snow domes and, if there is no ski dome locally, dry ski slopes are great for learning to ski. One important aspect is that often the lessons are just one hour or a two hours per day. That means the beginner who is not an athlete does not get overly tired. Whereas on a ski holiday there is all the lessons and the practice lasting most of the day. Plus the beginner wants to make the most of the apre ski. So a desk jockey come arm-chair athlete who normally does only an hour or two of exercise per week is forced(!) to spend several hours per day exercising while on holiday. Exhaustion is likely.
Get them the basic skills from snow dome or dry ski slope before going on holiday and they will enjoy the snow and the mountain much more.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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i agree with Adrian, i woundn t even think of teaching my kids,dont do it
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Thanks for all your help with this tread, there seems to be sense that i should not teach my friends. the only way I can get them to come is to offer to teach, hopefully after the first day they will see how crap I am and look to the uniformed guys.
many thanks 
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jambo1, by then it will be too late to join the cheaper group lessons (they normally start on sundays) Get them to sign up - or take an all inclusive UCPA type package.
Teaching friends is bad for them and BORING AS HELL for you!
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They should be insured yes but check with their insurance if worried, expect little or no sympathy though of they're injured whilst you 'teach' them!
I'm an instructor but don't teach any member of my family (and certainly wouldn't teach mates even if they paid the going rate).
It is an extraordinarily BAD idea to do this, both for them and for you, I don't care how many lessons you've been on or seen there's a reason why there are qualifications for instructors.
Last person I saw who was intent on teaching his girlfriend, mate and his girlfriend had himself and most of the rest of the party in form or other of surgical support by the end of the second day and none of his companions were talking to him - he was an *rse frankly and deserved it but none of the others did!
At the very least they should get a couple of days worth of group lessons (maybe mornings), at least they'll know the basics by then and can decide whether to get more after that.
EDIT: BTW, welcome to Snowheads - brave first post!
P.P.S. I agree very much with the 2 posts below
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Thu 28-10-10 19:37; edited 1 time in total
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jambo1, Welcome and what a great first post, I can see this running and running.
First off, yes they are insured, like others have said, unless you are taking money in any way, i.e. as part of a package holiday they are paying to you or even under-the-table, you will have know problems with the authorities (if an accident happens it will come out if they were paying, then you could have a load of problems). What the French hate is when people get round the law by saying the teaching is part of the holiday price so anyone can teach them and not use the local ski schools so depriving them of an income.
I 'give tips' to my relations and friends (not beginners I should add) all the time and loads of people know me and I do not have any problems as they know I do not get paid anything and we also use the local ski school for the kids racing and guiding quite a lot. It is the same with your mates. Your Insurance covers you for third party liability and they must have there own accident/liability insurance for skiing as well. So on that point you can sleep easy.
BUT for once I see myself agreeing with everyone else, why do it!!!  Let them pay for lessons, teaching beginners is a pain  and you will not enjoy it after the first 30min. Better still, as snowskinow says, if they can get to a snowdome before the trip, get them to take lessons before they go so when they get to the alps they can already ski. Much better use of that valuable holiday time and more fun for everyone. Have a good trip whatever you do
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