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Proprioception, head colds and the older skier

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Just shocked myself. Decided that it's time to start doing those pre-winter exercises, including standing on one leg with eyes closed. Now I wouldn't claim ever to have been brilliant at this, but I was appalled at my performance this morning. Completely pathetic. I think - hope - it will improve rapidly with repetition but I'm suffering from a very heavy cold and am wondering whether this affects proprioception ('cos of the ears). Am I clutching at straws?

Proprioception definitely deteriorates with age - if neglected, at any rate and is something that older skiers probably need to focus on.

Any other old fogies tried standing on one leg with eyes closed recently? I imagine most of the young bloods can do it easily (I almost said standing on their heads....)
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pam w, my yoga teacher - a guy easily heading towards 60 and very agile for his age - told the class that doing yoga regularly will help improve your ability to stand on one leg (and this apparently keeps you young wink). but then again, doing any exercise regularly may help in the same way.
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pam w,
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Any other old fogies tried standing on one leg with eyes closed recently?
Yep, I do it in my Pilates class most weeks and often at home eg when brushing my teeth. In the class, the experienced oldies - who've been doing it for years - are all fine, but without practice, even the younger people struggle. My problem is one-sidedness - also when doing one-legged ski exercises - but that's probably down to a damaged ankle.
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pam w, If you have a cold, you probably have catarrh and that will definitely affect your balance.
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pam w, Find undressing while standing on one leg no problem when visual stimulus is present. In the dark (when OH is asleep and wouldn't thank me for turning the light on) is a very different matter. So must start practising in the dark for those white-out days so common in Scotland !
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pam w, proprioreception (relative position of muscles/limbs to body) and balance are two different things. Standing on one leg with your eyes closed does involve both as well as removing visual position cues, but only balance derives from the balance mechanisms associated with the inner ear.

I wonder if this thread will lure Little Tiger?
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stoatsbrother, OK, so my proprioception is basically cr@p but my balance might improve when my head cold clears up? wink Both are definitely involved in my wobbliness - in the short time between being quite firmly balanced on the one foot, and being totally out of balance (shoulder up against bathroom wall or shower screen in my v small bathroom) I hadn't the slightest idea what my spare leg was up to.

Hurtle I am much better balanced on my left leg than my right (though the latter is undoubtedly stronger). I can ski one-footed on my left (on an easy slope wink) for quite a decent distance, with loads of turns, but not on my right.

I think I just have to practice a lot and I guess I should do 2 stands on my right foot for every one on my left. Sometimes very small bathrooms come in handy. I do that exercise whilst cleaning my teeth with my electric toothbrush. I did try combining it with holding the brush in my left hand the other day. that was positively life-threatening so I've dropped that one.

I'd be interested in Little Tiger's perspective. What is known about procioception and balance and ageing? Old people do fall over more and I know the NHS is investing in trying to reduce falls, as they are expensive to fix.
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pam w,
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I did try combining it with holding the brush in my left hand the other day. that was positively life-threatening so I've dropped that one.

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pam w, Close your eyes and touch your nose with one finger of each hand after waving them around a bit, then get someone to move your big toes up and down when you have your eyes closed. If you cannot tell which way the toes are moving, or you poke yourself in the eye, go and see someone. Otherwise Pilates and practice seems a good idea.

Oh - and your spare leg is in the sock drawer...
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I did try combining it with holding the brush in my left hand the other day.

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er..a colleague at work told me off for walking round the corridor brushing my teeth...said how she had treated loads of kids with toothbrushes through the palate...maybe doing wobbly one leg stuff with a pointy hard thing in your mouth is a tad on the hurty might be more than a banged head and broken ankle kind of injury thing?

Just a thought ...

stoatsbrother, has hit the nail on the head.
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stoatsbrother, damn, tea all over the keyboard. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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MarjMJ, do you think it's more dangerous than one of my other balance exercises, which is to do the ironing standing on a bosu ball? Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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pam w, why does standing on one leg with your eyes closed help skiing???
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why does standing on one leg with your eyes closed help skiing???
It's a balance skill.
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kitenski, why shouldn't it? A lot of skiing is about proprioreceptive feedback from legs, and often with assymetric loading.
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stoatsbrother, no idea, hence the question!
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MarjMJ, yes, you're right, which is why I stopped doing it. wink

stoatsbrother, I can hit my noise unerringly with either hand. Not having anyone fiddling with my arthritic big toes though. Evil or Very Mad
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Hurtle, now I know what to do with that BOSU , trouble is I still hate ironing.
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I always think of Hurtle when I do ironing (not that I do it very often...) but I've yet to try on a BOSU. Or on one leg with my eyes closed, though I do one leg with eye open.
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kitenski, my immediate prompt for thinking again about this exercise was re-reading an excellent little book - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treat-Your-Own-Knees-Responsiveness/dp/0897934229/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1286982889&sr=8-1&tag=amz07b-21

he recommended that particular exercise to improve proprioception. His recommendations are all soundly based on good research, and extremely simple.
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pam w, when standing on one leg, try putting the tip of your tongue on the roof of your mouth. Don't know why, but it helps balance (as taught by my school PE teacher).
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ironing standing on a bosu ball? Toofy Grin Toofy Grin

You are wicked Hurtle, Laughing
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MarjMJ, I'm not joking!
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Hurtle, Laughing Laughing Laughing I restrained myself - I knew you weren't.

I'll tell you what's really sad. This time last night I was sitting here in my ski boots (new zipfits....) watching the DVD of "Les Bronzés font du ski" whilst reading the script downloaded from the internet as the French is too rapid fire and colloquial for me to understand right off. But I wasn't on a BOSU ball.
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pam w, honestly, the mental picture is boggling! Laughing Laughing For a couple of wrinklies, we do seem to do the weirdest things in the interests of skiing like the goddesses we undoubtedly are! wink
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MarjMJ, I'm not joking!

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skiing like the goddesses we undoubtedly are

Haven't u missed 'deranged' before goddesses Toofy Grin
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I've seen a marked improvement in ability to stand on one leg with eyes closed in the last three days. been practising, and cold getting better. By Christmas there'll be no stopping me.
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Off to do the ironing, might get the BOSU out.
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Hells Bells, well - did you avoid certain scalding? Shocked
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Oh for gawds sake Shocked Idly opened this thread and have just realised I've read the entire thing whilst intermittently getting up and down from the chair to try all these things out, rather glad that the blinds are shut. What would the neighbours think? rolling eyes Laughing
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Schuss in Boots, Laughing Laughing Laughing And how did you get on with standing on one leg with your eyes closed whilst ironing?
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Schuss in Boots, Laughing don't worry. we all did the same as you *snigger*
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maybe doing wobbly one leg stuff with a pointy hard thing in your mouth



I just never get invited to that sort of party Sad
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pam w, do you think we should run some classes? Toofy Grin
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pam w, ......god bless one click ordering Very Happy I will give the book a go
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pam w, I need a new ironing board... wink

Hurtle, Sign me up. Have discovered that I'm even worse at all the above than I am at one-legged skiing. Shocked
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BTW does anyone still have Stocky's exercise programme.
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